http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/ Engadget Comments for Leaked Snow Leopard image potentially indicates a 32 / 64-bit divide http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/The settings menu in the background is german while the error message is english.]]>Dec 28th 2008 2:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 28th 2008 2:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 28th 2008 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 28th 2008 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 28th 2008 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 28th 2008 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 28th 2008 5:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 29th 2008 2:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 29th 2008 8:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/A bit late engadget....]]>Dec 28th 2008 2:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 28th 2008 2:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 28th 2008 2:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 28th 2008 2:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 28th 2008 3:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/
Engadget should really stick to writing stories about unboxing cell phones because they don't do a very good job on articles that require technical detail. Engadget, let me do your job for you:

System Preferences on OSX is an application that can use plugins so developers can centralize the configuration of their service into one standard UI front end that also includes the core system (first party) configuration utilities. All of the first party plugins will be 64-bit by the time Snow Leopard ships. The third party plugins will need to be re-compiled for 64-bit or the user will have to restart System Preferences in pure 32-bit mode.

Apple had a choice, break all third party plugins or give the end user the choice to wait 10 seconds and have System Preferences restart in 32-bit mode. Obviously they made the right choice. Mac developers are quick about updating -- in fact already several popular System Preferences plugins are 64-bit/Snow Leopard ready and it hasn't even been released yet. (including no public beta)

In the case of any normal application that is 32-bit only the end user won't see any difference. This specific feature only applies to applications that would need to host 32-bit third party plugins. The only other OSX apps I can think might need to use this feature would be Automator and QuickTime -- although I believe the Perian guys already have a 64-bit build out so that takes care of the #1 reason you'd want to run a QuickTime plugin.

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You taking notes Supers?]]>Dec 29th 2008 1:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 28th 2008 2:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/

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This is purely an issue because System Preferences runs like a plug-in architecture. You can see the different preference 'files' in the finder. The network prefs are still in 32-bit. I'm sure by release that Apple will have re-compiled the remaining preference panes to run 64-bit. Its just the third party ones to watch out for.]]>Dec 28th 2008 2:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 28th 2008 2:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 28th 2008 2:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/
Your argument would hold water if MS didn't give you the choice of the 32 and 64 bit versions for free. Ultimate comes with both discs and you can get MS to mail you one if you have another version.]]>Dec 28th 2008 2:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/
Oh right. You can prove that statement about stability then?

Didn't think so.]]>Dec 28th 2008 2:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/
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Vista Basic (full edition) = $199.99 + 64 bit ~ $15.00S&H = $214.99 + tax. Ultimate? ~$300

Mac OS X Leopard Home Basic, 32-bit: $129.99 + tax
Mac OS X Leopard Home Basic, 64-bit: $129.99 + tax
Mac OS X Leopard Home Premium, 32-bit: $129.99 + tax
Mac OS X Leopard Home Premium, 64-bit: $129.99 + tax
Mac OS X Leopard Business, 32-bit: $129.99 + tax
Mac OS X Leopard Business, 64-bit: $129.99 + tax
Mac OS X Leopard Ultimate, 32-bit: $129.99 + tax
Mac OS X Leopard Ultimate, 64-bit: $129.99 + tax

The best part? You can buy all 8 versions on the exact same disc for... $129.99!

I'm just going to assume that the Ultimate version of Snow Leopard will be $129.99 + tax for 64-bit, while Windows 7 Ultimate will be around $400 at release and they'll probably still charge a shipping fee and make you wait 10 days for the 64-bit version.]]>Dec 28th 2008 4:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/
It says System Preferences needs to restart, not OS X. System Preferences is an application, akin to the Windows Control Panel, and that image is stating that the APPLICATION needs to restart, not the OS.

You best go lie down before you hurt yourself with all this difficult reading and comprehension and tough stuff like that.]]>Dec 28th 2008 4:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/
As a Mac owner I can tell you we practically *never* boot our machines. As opposed to my Windows machines!

Not starting a flamewar here, seriously. I love my PCs and Macs but at least Mac OS X does not require you to restart when installing or updating.]]>Dec 28th 2008 4:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/my apple laptop crashes almost weekly.]]>Dec 28th 2008 5:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 28th 2008 6:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 28th 2008 5:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 28th 2008 7:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/
Two points for you:

1) If you buy a Windows system it'll almost certainly come with Windows Home Premium.
2) If you build your own system the cost is $99 for Home Premium and $179.99 for Ultimate.

Since Home Premium is the equivalent of OS X Leopard it's cheaper. Of course, you could just upgrade from XP to Home Premium which would cost you $122.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=40000368&SrchInDesc=Vista&Tpk=vista

Any other arguments you want destroyed?]]>Dec 28th 2008 7:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/
With regards to only rebooting your Vista box once in a year and a half, you either don't use it, or you're lying and full of BS.

@ Mark Anderson

In order for your comparison to be valid, you need to compare similar objects to one another.

Why don't you compare the price of RETAIL versions of Vista to that of OS X instead of using the discounted Systems Builders price?

Until you can provide a valid retort, your "argument destroying" status has been revoked.]]>Dec 28th 2008 8:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 28th 2008 8:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/
A turd by any other name is Windows.


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Also, to switch between the modes, it just opens a new pane for System Preferences. Please comment on only what you know.

The new version of SL that was leaked (Key word is leaked here) is not for general use. There for you cant compare it to a stable version of Vista.

Snow Leo' will change the way you use your Intel based mac, and it will be slimmer, and much more stable with noticable performance gains for power users and gamers alike. Until it actually comes out, hints are hints, potential points are still just hypothetical, and fanboys still whine about there not being a new cool backround, or the lack of changing the boot backround images.

Get over it, seriously.]]>Dec 28th 2008 9:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/
Any more arguments you'd like destroyed?]]>Dec 28th 2008 10:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/
When you buy a copy of OS X from the store, it is under the assumption that you are upgrading a system that already came with an Apple OS (since Apple doesn't really factor hackintosh into things).

By the same token you could use a Vista upgrade disc to install a fresh copy of the operating system if you really wanted to.]]>Dec 29th 2008 11:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/Dec 28th 2008 11:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/(BTW, how do Linux distros do that? Do the open processes have a hard link to open files and the updater just deletes the directory entry and copies a new file?)]]>Dec 28th 2008 11:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/28/leaked-snow-leopard-image-potentially-indicates-a-32-64-bit-di/
I did which is why I quoted the upgrade price for Vista Home Premium. It's the one which is $10 cheaper than Leopard.

@Dani

Your long and pointless rant is irrelevant since those issues have been resolved. Incidentally, how are you enjoying that sixth service pack on the wonderfully stable Leopard?

Are we done here or do you want to spout more bollocks about things you clearly don't understand? I'm not saying Windows is perfect because it isn't, I just grow tired of the utterly stupid nonsense spouted by people like you who get their technical information from fansites.

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BSOD's haven't been a problem since Windows XP and Vista, unless there is a hardware or device driver problem.

OS X has *plenty* of its own issues. To think otherwise is just ignorance of the platform. How about the fact that if OS X is unable to mount a share in the login items for a user, it's impossible to shut down the OS without using a hard shut down?

"When SP1 was released, it broke a number of people's computers. Less stable." Are you new around here? Have you no idea the problems Leopard caused when it was released? How about people's files being lost when moved over a network...

OS X was written from scratch??? Wow...you really have NO idea about the OS. Maybe you should start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X

The command shell in Vista is inferior to DOS? .... wow.

What "compatibility mode" in Vista are you comparing to Rosetta? If you are referring to being able to alter a shortcut to have the application run as though it were under a previous version of Windows, well, you are definitely comparing apples and oranges.

All in all, I'd suggest you just completely stop posting comments, at least on technical sites, until you bolster your technical knowledge. And yes, I run both OS X and Vista and develop actively and professionally for both.
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although i am looking forward to snow leopard just for the video card acceleration, anything that lets me render HD footage faster is good in my book. (however my pc with premiere does it just fine)]]>Dec 28th 2008 2:47PM