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- they have a different technology

or

- they have a older patent conflicting with Apple's one

or

- they found a hole in Apple's patent description]]>Jan 23rd 2009 8:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/Jan 23rd 2009 12:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/
But I think the real point of Palm's statement is not to brag about it, but just to make Apple look bad by the eyes of the media and consumers if they try something now. Pay attention to the fact that Cook made a general comment, but Palm answered as it was directed to them, for no reason at all. Of course, if they are taking this bet, they must be really able to defend/countersuit them.

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I doubt Apple has the testicular fortitude to risk the iPhone and take this to court. They're just trying to scare off Palm's investors.]]>Jan 23rd 2009 11:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/Jan 23rd 2009 1:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/
...Which is just about a year or two shy of how long ago Apple made the Newton.

I'm guessing 'out-of-court undisclosed settlement' is the future of this one.]]>Jan 27th 2009 11:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/
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I understand the problem that they have with cut-and-paste; Apple can't figure out how to do it in a way that's intuitive, without adding clutter to the UI. Still, they should have figured it out a lot sooner. They used the most obvious text-selection gesture, the reverse-pinch, for zooming. Now, to add cut-and-paste, they'll have to add a context-sensitive button to switch from zoom-mode to edit-mode, and they're just too lazy to do it.]]>Jan 23rd 2009 7:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/
The iPhone doesn't have a WAP browser either! And every dumb cell phone has a crappy WAP browser! Why isn't anyone complaining about that? You have to send photos using e-mail on the iPhone, a modern standard? What the heck is wrong with Apple!!! They are SO behind the times!!!

Get MMS and a WAP browser already, Apple. No one wants e-mail and Safari Mobile!



Uh, yeah....

/sarcasm

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But it's like building a vehicle with GPS and adaptive cruise control and rear cameras and all that fancy stuff and then forgetting to put wheels and a gas cap on it. MMS and Copy/paste have been _standard_ features on smartphones. MMS is standard on dumbphones, FFS! And saying that iPhones can send photos through email is pointless, as most phones are still incapable of using email (but almost every phone can handle MMS).

Being a fanboy must completely blind you to valid criticism of your object of worship, huh?]]>Jan 23rd 2009 9:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/

As you can see, it's a matter of opinion on the value of MMS. Just because every other phone has it, doesn't automatically mean that Apple has to support it. Most phone have keyboards too. Apple chose to not copy other phones. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

It's very funny to me that people constantly complain because Apple doesn't try to be exactly like every other company.


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Comparing the browser and the MMS app is completely different.

I was complaining about the lack of MMS because the whole point of a phone is to COMMUNICATE! And if your phone doesn't support one of the MAJOR methods of communication that EVERY other phone supports, then it's missing something. Once email is supported on almost all phones this point will be moot, but until then, they left out a major component.

You fanboys can be so irritating. I could sit here and praise the iPhone for everything else it does, and bring up just one criticism, and you'd lose your shit.

As to the whole "if you don't like it don't buy it" thing...I don't plan to buy it. That doesn't mean I can't complain about the lack of features that would entice me to buy it. Shit, I'd love for it to add these things. It'd be almost the perfect phone for me if it did. But no, just go ahead and stick your fingers in your ears and keep saying to yourself "la la la la perfect phone la la la la i can't here you la la la..."]]>Jan 23rd 2009 12:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/
Paul's point was why we should add a feature when it's outdated and there's a better way to do it? MMS is for phones that don't have a sophisticated enough OS to handle real email. Email is the way to go--it can hold larger files, you can send attachments, you can type an unlimited number of words without getting charged more than once a message. The end result is similar: the receiver gets an image, a video, or an audio file, but using email to do it means that when you're not sending little clips of multimedia to a friend, real work can be as well. Just like Apple removed the floppy disk and the optical drives on their computers, Apple is not clinging on to old tech and hopefully other manufacturers will follow and create better phones that handle email, which in turn results a more sophisticated, full-featured OS that doesn't look like it was from the year 2000 *cough* Motorola *cough*.]]>Jan 23rd 2009 2:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/
While I think the copy and paste is vital for some (it doesn't matter to me though) I think that you comparison with the car is not correct.
MMS is after SMS the biggest rip-off of the provider.
By adding an email application integrated with the rest of the phone's features and giving the phone a very good web browser people no longer need MMS. You can send emails easily and for free (since it's integrated in the data plan). If Apple would add MMS to the iPhone I am pretty sure you would have to pay for these.
It's the same approach they had with the floppy drives a few years back. Everybody was shocked by the decision to drop floppy drives in Macs but at the end it's not about staying with old technologies but to evolve.
If you look back, SMS is nothing else than a very basic email, MMS added the capability of adding some limited media (attachments).
Email is the next logical step.
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I dont get it. Shouldnt we be embracing the removal of antiquated protocols from our devices? I'm sure it is annoying when you want to send your friends with RAZRs a picture, but why not just suck it up, use the MMS gateway that ALL providers have (eg. 1234567890@tmomail.net) and GTFOI.



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you all are missing the damned point. and he is right. Having the iphone without mms is like having a flying car with NO means to fly it. No sky highway no FAA approval no SUPPORT.

I do not give two sh(*s if E-mail is superior to MMS

NO ONE ELSE USES IT YOU MORONS !!!

so GREAT your all "high tech" with your e-mail pictures and your also ALONE with your e-mail pictures.

you see its still CHEAPER for most people to have unlimited texting for $10 a month than it is to have DATA PLANS for $25 to $60 a month !!

DUH!

so even is SOME (and ONLY smart phones REALLY have this ability) phones have e-mail many users will NOT USE IT because they do not want to fork over the cash for the ULTRA EXPENSIVE DATA PLANS

and even them MMS is just EASIER in the current forms that both mediums take.

MMS is INTEGRATED into the operation of the phone. its intuitive.

E-MAIL IS NOT is more like a desktop application.

I prefer e-mail. on the phone I prefer MMS. why? because thats what EVERYONE ELSE USES.

your e-mail is like having a flying car and going hey why you driving that ancient wheeled car around and I in my wheeled car just laugh at you as I DRIVE BY YOU and your STUCK in your driveway with no MEANS available to actually USE your flying car.

Sorry my house don't have a runway and neither does the other 90% of houses in the US.

THATS is how e-mail pictures compares to mms pictures.

NOW when 90% of the phones have e-mail integrated and intuitive to use

AND 90% of the plans out there have practical AFFORDABLE data plans

THEN and ONLY THEN will it make sense to switch to E-mail

Let me give you another example of the failing in your argument.

I am going to use an abacus and a slide rule
your going to use your laptop

which is superior? no brainer right

OH wait I forgot we are zipping back to 1804 and NOW we are going to do some work

which is superior now? yeah no brainer again. your laptop is a paperweight after 4 hours max.

Superior technology is irrelevant is you have no practical means with which to USE IT.

2 things need to happen before it makes sense to eliminate MMS and use E-Mail

#1 more phones need usable e-mail functionality
#2 affordable data plans need to be common place.

NEITHER of those is even remotely close to being in place yet so for now MMS is superior just because its USABLE in our environment.

Just like my abacus and slide rule will TROUNCE your laptop in 1804.]]>Jan 23rd 2009 7:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/
AT&T bounces back all emails with pictures sent to their mms.att.net address.
And I can semi-understand not supporting MMS, but for the love of God make it easier to see the picture that's sent to you. Having to write down a username / password and go look at it on a real computer (because AT&T uses flash to show the media) is REALLY annoying.]]>Jan 24th 2009 11:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/Jan 26th 2009 1:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/Jan 23rd 2009 7:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/Jan 23rd 2009 7:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/Jan 23rd 2009 7:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/Jan 23rd 2009 11:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/Jan 23rd 2009 7:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/Jan 23rd 2009 7:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/
I hate ridiculous transliterations. Can't we all just get along?]]>Jan 23rd 2009 7:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/23/palm-responds-to-apples-veiled-threat-over-pre/Jan 23rd 2009 7:20AM