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http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/01/27/apple-awarded-iphone-patent/

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http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/17/apple-settles-visual-voicemail-lawsuit-licenses-klausners-pate/

Apple licenses 1-Click from Amazon and that technology, if you can call it technology, is about as basic as you can get.

On a related note, PALM is down about 12% in early morning trading. I guess investors don't feel the same about Apple's chances of suing. We'll see though. Lawyers can be pretty clever about finding loopholes.

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Apple's is also limited to multi-touch scrolling, not the pinch zoom or other multi-touch gestures (which I assume are in other Apple patent applications). So, if a competing device does not do multi-touch scrolling, they don't infringe.

All in all, not exactly a huge coup for Apple.]]>Jan 27th 2009 11:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/
And I don't think the issue is whether Apple can successfully sue PALM, but whether PALM can withstand a lawsuit in their current state. They've just been given a lifeline by Elevation Partners, but their last 10k wasn't exactly glowing and Sprint, the exclusive provider for the Pre, is laying off workers and losing customers left and right.

That said, I don't see why Apple wouldn't just license the technology to companies.

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I await the stampede of bloggers howling about how F'd up the patent system is over this.

Yet somehow I think they will conveniently keep their mouths shut over this one.]]>Jan 27th 2009 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/
All they would have to do is prove the technology existed and is a novel idea before Apple filed for this patent. Now personally I am not saying this is invalid, or unenforceable, because I don't know enough about multi-touch technology... but I know enough about patent law.

It would probably cost millions of dollars to try and invalidate the patent, but my guess is Apple would end up suing HTC (or Palm or anyone who tried to use multi-touch) for tens of millions of dollars. So expect a knock down drag out fight... hell, a re-examination of a patent alone could take years... which would probably be one of the first steps a potential infringer would make.

But then there is the whole issue of multi-touch being introduced to the G1 by a third party programmer... sounds complicated. This is an absolute dream case for a law firm. haha]]>Jan 27th 2009 12:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/
Can Palm survive a lawsuit against Apple? Absolutely. While it is true that litigation, especially patent litigation, is expensive, it isn't so expensive that a company as large as Palm can't or won't wage a war that could decide whether it exists or not next year. Plus, Palm will start selling Pres soon, and that will provide a nice little revenue stream (I am assuming that Apple will be unable to win a preliminary injunction based on the weakness of its case).

As for licensing, there is no way Apple will license their multi-touch patents. It is a major distinguishing feature of the iPhone, and they would lose their market edge if every smart phone could have the same functionality.]]>Jan 27th 2009 12:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/
Even when I do a basic Google search, I get pointed back to Wikipedia or someone who wrote an article claiming to have seen multi-touch in Bell Labs. I don't think that will be enough to make a prior art claim, but we'll see. Someone tried to sue Apple for the iPod idea and the people at Apple were able to find a British guy who applied for a patent for something that resembled the iPod way back in the eighties or nineties.

So it's not impossible, but I just keep hearing a lot of vague references, but no evidence.

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Light reading for those interested in Multi-touch. Scroll down for early implementations.
(first result for Bell Labs Multi Touch. D- for you! Hehe)]]>Jan 27th 2009 12:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/
You know, I bet there are some scientists out there who would like to say that Leonardo Da Vinci created the first flying machine, based on the fact that he did some pretty realistic sketches for it, but the Wright Brothers will no doubt go down in history as the guys who actually invented flying machines since they actually created a WORKING DEVICE with the technology.

I'm not saying that Bell Labs didn't experiment with the technology, but it feels like some people just don't want to give Apple credit because they're either (1) fanboys of other companies or (2) obsessed patent reformer geeks.

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There is also the fact that Apple's patent covers more than just multi-touch. It also covers single touch. (The claims refer to "one or more finger contacts" which literally reads on single touch and multi-touch). Therefore, prior art single touch products (of which I am sure you can admit there were plenty) could invalidate this patent.

Finally, you have to come up with the argument as to how multi-touch is not obvious in light of prior single touch. I have yet to see a logical argument that states that multi-touch was not just the next natural progression in touch screen implementation... particularly once touch screen hardware became capable of recognizing multiple touches.]]>Jan 27th 2009 12:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/
because any new phone related product today should pay royalty to Apple... as Apple invented the phone. (and All music)

-Alexander Graham Bell, nope it was Apple...

-Grand Valse Brillante? Apple.

Chopin, Beethoven.. All secret members of Apple in its primitive form...


Isaac Newton?

it was an APPLE that hit him on the head. this gave birth to the Accelerometer!]]>Jan 27th 2009 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/Jan 27th 2009 11:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/Jan 27th 2009 11:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/Jan 27th 2009 11:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/
That's exactly how they see it!]]>Jan 27th 2009 11:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/Jan 27th 2009 11:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/Jan 27th 2009 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/Jan 27th 2009 11:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/Jan 27th 2009 11:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/Jan 27th 2009 11:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/Jan 27th 2009 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/Jan 27th 2009 11:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/
Cupcake is not coming out as it looks like this month either.... all sources are failing to predict good, but what can I say! We love rumors.]]>Jan 27th 2009 12:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/Jan 27th 2009 12:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/
This is retarded.]]>Jan 27th 2009 12:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/Jan 27th 2009 12:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/Jan 27th 2009 12:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/Jan 27th 2009 3:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/
Maybe the link is a bunch of R&D work but at the same time, how can you argue that it's Apple's Intellectual Property to patent when it's fairly obvious it came about through other's research, not Apple? Is it fair that I could walk into a lab, look at a technology, make a product and then patent it so no others can use it? From a moral point of view I couldn't. I have no experience in the legal side.

On the other hand, without reading the patent (I have better things to do!), if it's regarding the implementation of multi-touch in conjunction with capacitive touch screen technology which was previously unachievable then yes, I can see a claim to the IP referencing that particular part.

Personally, I'd rather people could be innovative with the technology rather than worrying about who came to market first. At the end of the day, Apple had a big head start and reaped the benefits. Holding back competition artificially because you haven't innovated enough during that period IMO is detrimental to the consumer and preventing things moving forward. Hell, Apple may have something in the wings that'll surprise us all but until it finishes it, I feel that the rest of the market should be allowed to compete using that input method. It's not the legal view, but I have it all the same.

If it was ripping the actual software user interface, that's a different story. There would be no reason to copy the iPhone in that respect and I'd avoid any device doing that.]]>Jan 27th 2009 1:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/Jan 27th 2009 1:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/Jan 27th 2009 3:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/Jan 27th 2009 9:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/27/more-screens-of-android-cupcake-and-a-chance-to-taste-it-yourse/Jan 27th 2009 10:37PM