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Here are just a few things they lifted from the iPhone
Home button
momentum while scrolling and elasticity when you hit the end
pinch and zoom
packaging with the product reveal when you first open the lid

Its kinda disappointing that they copied so much from other phones, would rather see new (better) ways of doing things.

Oh and im not convinced about the whole cloud sync idea, seems like it;s just an excuse for not having a proper PC/Mac client. email and contacts are fine but how do you manage music, movies, apps, podcast etc without software like iTunes. ]]>Jan 30th 2009 12:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/
Copying things like multitasking, MMS, cut and paste, global search?]]>Jan 30th 2009 12:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/
Not sure about the elasticity thing.]]>Jan 30th 2009 12:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/


LMAO.]]>Jan 30th 2009 1:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 1:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/
For the love of Dog, please stop. I've been accused in the past of being an Apple fan, and I guess I am to some extent, but I'm also a fan of Linux, and Microsoft (when they get it right). But blind fanboyism reflects poorly on people like myself who appreciate Apple, but realize it isn't perfect.

the iPhone is awesome in it's simplicity, but it isn't perfect. I have the original one, I really like it, and I really like Apple stuff, but I have some frustrations as well.

iPhone:
No MMS. Personaly I could care less, but MMS is just software. I have no idea why they don't support it.
No Copy/Paste. Please Apple, this can't really be that hard, can it?
No Mailing of multiple photos or attachments. I need this.
No disk usage. Again, this cant be that hard, can it? My iPod classic does it...
No multitasking. If Apple gets push notification working then I think that would be better, but I want to run an IM app in the background and get a popup if someone IMs me.

Now, even with all these issues, the iPhone is still my favorite device, for numerous reasons, but perfect it is not. And as far as copying goes, a good number of those gestures are in use by other companies as well as Apple, and frankly just seem obvious, and the home button. Really? that's a pretty bad example of copying.

Most of the issues I have with the Mac don't affect me personally, but I do get frustrated as an Apple shareholder with some of their decisions.

On the MacBook Pros, the machines should support at least 8GB, and since they are market as pro machines, they should have the best 8-bit panels in the business. There is no excuse for using 6-bit panels on a "pro" machine. Personally I prefer a glossy display, but apparently there are a lot that don't. Apple seems to be moving in the right direction with the matte option on the 17", but they need to offer this on the 15 as well.

Anyway, I guess my point is, a lot of us really like Apple stuff, but we are not blind fanboys like this guy.
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Did you notice how much Apple copied for iPhone from other phones starting with the screen, keyboard (on the screen), e-mail etc. So what's your point?]]>Jan 30th 2009 2:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 3:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 4:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/
The phone looks great, but hopefully there is no expensive obligatory data plan attached.]]>Jan 30th 2009 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/
"packaging with the product reveal when you first open the lid"

Are you kidding me dude? Almost every phone, PDA, laptop, or electronic device for that matter does this...]]>Jan 31st 2009 10:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/If you advertise the fuck out of something, people will buy it. I have seen SO MANY iPhone ads. More than the Instinct, Storm, G1, and LG Dare combined. That goes for anything.]]>Jan 31st 2009 12:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/
I hope the court sentences Ed Colligan to kiss Steve Jobs skinny butt.]]>Jan 31st 2009 10:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/
A lot of your complaints have already been addressed with apps on the iPhone.
File sharing with the iPhone IS possible and very easy. Use the AirShare app - lets you transfer files to your iPhone over WiFi from any computer. It's very slick.
If you want multiple photos in an email use the 'Multi-Photo email' app
You can jail break an iPhone fairly easily and instal a MMS app and a Copy and Paste app. There's a video recorder app and a NES emulator app for the iPhone as well. Native copy and paste is coming.

Just wait I am sure the Pre will have a whole laundry list of limitations when it's finally released.

Few Pre shortcomings we know of so far

- No video output to external display (I hook my iPhone up to a projector to run through powerpoint slides)
- No games
- Accelerometers?
- Weak developer tools
- Crippled Apps
- No audio/video podcast sync support
- No easy way of managing movies, music, pictures
- Plastic screen
- It's not really multi-tasking until you can have two activities on the screen at once. its more like fast app switching.
- UI is a freakin nightmare are you kidding me

I still stand by my original comment that Palm is ripping off the iPhone (as well as Android and BlackBerry), the similarities are obvious and its not new enough or different enough to warrant the hype.

Its nothing new, Palm ripped off their original PDA ideas back in the 90s from the Apple Newton, they then had to BUY the Treo from Handspring Inc to get into cellphones. Now they are ripping off ideas from across the industry to come out with this dog turd.

We know the iPhone is awesome, Android has a strong OS and developer community and BlackBerry has a strong network. The Pre really has nothing going for it, it's all flash and no substance.


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am i the only one who wants a palm with the treo form factor?]]>Jan 30th 2009 11:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 11:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 12:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 4:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 11:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 11:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 31st 2009 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 11:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 12:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 12:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 1:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 11:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 11:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 31st 2009 9:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 11:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/
This is -not- acceptable nor fast, and if this happens in their final unit, it will keep me from buying one.]]>Jan 30th 2009 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 12:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 12:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/
I think your impatience clock runs a little fast.]]>Jan 30th 2009 12:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design//4 seconds

Pfft.

I like the Pre. I've always loved Palm. I hope their advancements in UI that they've made for the smartphone community survives the scorching maelstrom of Apple's IP suit. Maybe if they bury the specs in the corp campus backyard? ]]>Jan 30th 2009 12:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 12:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 12:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/
You obviously have no clue about the iPhone and have not really used one. Either that or you don't know how long a second really is...]]>Jan 30th 2009 12:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Actually I took out a stop watch to see if it was just me being impatient. After multiple reloads of the firmware, restoring, etc, its ass slow. But way to assume there.]]>Jan 30th 2009 1:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/By 'obviously have not clue about the iPhone' you mean I've owned one since it came out and am responsible for iPhone/Mobile support at my company, right?

What is it with people with assumptions today?]]>Jan 30th 2009 1:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/
And my SMS application loads in 2.9 seconds.]]>Jan 30th 2009 2:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/
Matt, I think you probably have a bad phone.]]>Jan 30th 2009 2:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/
"What is it with people with assumptions today?"

Not an assumption, a conclusion based on evidence you provided.

I agree with CraigJ, if you *really* own/use an iPhone as you claim to, it's clearly defective (or you've hosed the software somehow). My load times are a fraction of what you claim (about 2 seconds for SMS, about 3 seconds for Contacts, about 2 seconds for Settings). And mine is a launch-day 1st gen model. Perhaps *you* shouldn't be the one providing iPhone support for your company. Just sayin'.

Misrepresent Different.]]>Jan 30th 2009 3:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/
@A:Yes, it takes a few seconds to load some applications on the Pre, just like it takes a few on some iPhone applications. That is not what responsiveness is about. It's perfectly okay that program takes a moment to load all its data, specially when dealing with large data blocks (like a big library of MP3s). What makes a system responsive is how long does it take to respond to user input.

When people say the Pre looks responsive, they mean that even after opening a dozen applications simultaneously (what Apple says they don't allow because it would make the iPhone no longer as responsive), it still responds instantly to user commands. The entire interface still scrolls smoothly, all commands show some signal of being accepted the same instant, it just works like it should.

How long does it take to process that information and finally displaying the result is an entire different matter.]]>Jan 30th 2009 4:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 12:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/]]>Jan 30th 2009 4:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/30/another-pre-hands-on-video-with-palms-vp-of-design/Jan 30th 2009 12:06PM