http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/ Engadget Comments for LG picks Windows Mobile as its primary smartphone OS, plans to release 50 new phones http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 10:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 10:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 10:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 10:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 10:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 10:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 10:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/
That is all.
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Explain yourself and tell me the reason that makes me an idiot? The numbers don't lie. WinMo is a POC and it's funny to me how people like yourself sit there and back it as if it's god's gift to Mobile OS's. Please state the facts that makes WinMo such a great Mobile OS. And no "80% of smart phones have WinMo" does not count that just means that they had little to no choice with their carriers when making a purchase, but usability and stability is a whole other game. I have used and managed 100's of smart phones and to this day I have had the most issues with WinMo devices. These issues are not with users either, I cannot explain how many times I have had to hard reset our WinMo devices just because they completely stopped functioning or slowed to crawl. And yes they were on latest firmware, updates etc etc...]]>Feb 16th 2009 10:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 10:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Go ahead rank me down....]]>Feb 16th 2009 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 2:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 4:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 6:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 10:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 11:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 12:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 10:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 10:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/
99% of the apps are fart/flashlight apps.

You can't multi-task.

You are restricted by Apple's holding of your hand if you are a developer.

You really don't have any apps that offer the functionality of the more matured and seasoned apps on WinMo such as the Office, GPS, Remote Networking, Exchange-based, Engineering/Medical/Mathematics/Programming apps.

You are limited by both the physical and software capabilities of the phone.
iPhone in a nutshell:

No bluetooth music streaming and/or file transfers (video is out of the question)
No drag and drop file juggling
No Flash support inside Safari (where the heck is Opera Mobile and/or SkyFire for this thing)
No Java
No copy and paste
No tethering
No front camera
No video recording
No video calls
No user replaceable battery
No radio
No VGA resolution
No IR port (it's something I take for granted, using my phone as a remote for well...anything just about)
No physical keyboard
No external storage card support (Micro SDHC cards are up to 32 GB now, 8GB is NOT enough these days, especially for a media device)
No voice command (WM devices and even some "el-cheapo" phones have featured this for years now)
No MMS (it doesn't have phone-to-phone MMS, it has phone-to-air-to-phone picture sharing necessitating a data plan)
No Live TV (that doesnt require you to be connected to an app like Orb on your home PC, which defeats the purpose, why would I want to watch it on a dinky non VGA screen instead of just on my home PC when im at home anyways)
No camera flash
No camera zoom
Same old, subpar, 2 MP camera for that matter
No multitasking
No turn-by-turn voice navigation system
Limited video format support
Limited picture format support
Limited file format support in general
Only 128 MB of RAM (Cant run many apps simultaneously -- I mean not that it matters since multitasking is for all intents and purposes out of the question! New WM phones are getting 256+ MB of RAM, with 150+ MB free on bootup)

So, the only question that really remains is why not WinMo.

With an interface change, or even with something such as the existing TF3D, it's intuitiveness and usability is at least on par with any other phone on the market, and arguably exceeds them to boot.
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Here is one thing the iPhone does have that is priceless, Stability, and user friendly UI when WinMo has that then you can start blabbering on about all the other useless crap that no one ever uses on a cell phone.]]>Feb 16th 2009 10:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/ur talking about one company.... thats it.... for my phone i have like 2 batteries, and a range of applications, which r not even available for the iphone, so which world u living in..... n its a known fact thats ppl that dont wrk in the IT department, prolly dont know much about technology, and ur using those numbers...... great JOB!!!!....(hope the sarcasm shows...)]]>Feb 16th 2009 10:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/
Hah!

That's a riot.

The iPhone OS is clunky, slow (tell me again, why does it take like forever to type a simple text message, it lags like crazy, it also lags when pulling up contacts, sifting through music, or doing just about anything, be it intensive or not)

The iPhone is also a poor man's version of a "smart phone".
The only reason it even seems remotely stable is because, get this, in 2009, the damned thing still doesn't properly multi-task.
Outside of a remote handful of native apps that it requires for basic functionality, multi-tasking is out of the question.

Also, it does crash now more than ever before ever since Apple opened the floodgates for developers to port their code (although still restrictive) to the phone.

Furthermore, I and countless others would argue that in terms of UI, intuitiveness, and usability, that Touch Flo 3D easily meets if not exceeds the iPhone UI.]]>Feb 16th 2009 11:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 11:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/
Crack is bad lay off it, it will kill you one of these days. And your WinMo phone will prob be in a crashed state so you will not be able to get help.]]>Feb 16th 2009 11:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/
"then you can start blabbering on about all the other useless crap that no one ever uses on a cell phone."

Ahh yes, the tried and true disingenuous and desperate pleas of an iPhone fan boy.

When all else fails, you guys fall back on these sorts of played out platitudes.

For your information, the above shortcomings I mentioned for the iPhone are all features that I use.
Some every single day, others intermittently throughout the week.
I do use them however, as do thousands if not millions of others around the world in some capacity at least.

The fact of the matter is that there are dozens upon dozens of lacking features on the iPhone and the reason you do not use them is because you CAN NOT use them.
Therefore, you somehow or another think they are "Useless crap".

Fact of the matter is, I know you iPhone hipsters would absolutely LOVE to have Turn-by-Turn GPS voice navigation systems.
I also know for a fact that you iPhone hipsters would love to have Voice Command.
I also know for a fact that you iPhone fanboys would love to have a full-fledged Office app such as SoftMaker Office on your phones.
That aside, I know you guys would love Bluetooth streaming (not a crippled version of it).
Furthermore, I've yet to meet an iPhone fanboy who hasn't yearned for Video Recording, Copy/Paste, tethering without restrictions, Flash-based web browser, a higher res screen, multi-tasking, COPY/PASTE, etc.

Seriously, you sound desperate and disingenuous, and no one is buying it.

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For the record, the last time I had to restart my Touch Pro was about a week ago, and that was only to install a new system cab for it.]]>Feb 16th 2009 11:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/
Stop trying to justify to me why your WinMo phone is a piece of shit. I have owned one and I know it's a POC.]]>Feb 16th 2009 11:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/dude ur such a fish (poker terminology).... just cause u used an ancient winmo, doesnt mean they like that now..... thats like sayin all computers running windows are the same..... try running farcry on a shitty comp..... aint gonna happen..... same thing.... not all winmo phones are the same.... FISH!!!]]>Feb 16th 2009 11:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 9:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/
The fact of the matter is Apple make software for their hardware (easier to optimise and less reliant on numerous drivers to cover multiple hardware types etc)

WinMo is different - Software for OEMs - these can come how ever the manufacturer chooses. Cut it some slack. It performs very well for what it is developed for. I would like to see Apple change to the model and see how they handle it.

MS are now changing their stance to limit the OEMs and types of phone WinMo 7 will be made for so we wont see the issues we see today for performance issues as a result of it being installed on sub-par hardware.

Someone please come up with a decent arguement for the Smart Phone - ness of the iPhone because you are not doing well so far]]>Feb 17th 2009 7:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/
With 6.5 and eventually 7's development, WinMo is really maturing.

Thanks should be given to a lot of the developer community. The pushed the previous versions to do things Microsoft did consider. Now Microsoft as seen what the masses want and is starting to push the OS in that direction naively.

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Also, does this mean I can expect a freshly Verizon-locked version of WinMo?]]>Feb 16th 2009 10:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 10:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 10:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 10:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 10:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 10:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 10:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/
LG knows where the power lies and have secured themselves a sucessful future... whos next? c'mon samsung, u know it makes sense


the wm takeover baby]]>Feb 16th 2009 10:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/]]>Feb 16th 2009 10:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/
Personally, I can't see Windows Mobile ever being a mainstream smartphone operating system. It's two big rivals, Symbian and Android, are free. That doens't make a big difference when you're selling hundreds of thousands of phones but it makes a massive difference when you're selling tens of millions.

Case in point - if the iPhone ran Windows Mobile, Apple would have paid $240mil in license fees to Microsoft in the past two years. In these tough economic times, that's a lot of money to waste. ]]>Feb 16th 2009 10:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 11:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Copy/Paste much?
Write notes much? (I didn't say type notes)
Use Voice Command much?
Use Office Apps much?
Remote Network much?

No?
Didn't think so.]]>Feb 16th 2009 11:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 11:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 11:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/Feb 16th 2009 1:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/
I don't doubt it's nice to have all those capabilities that WinMo offers, but are they really necessary for the average user to have. That's an awful lot of menu choices to navigate through. I do think the iPhone should have copy/paste, video capture, turn-by-turn navigation, etc. I'm not sure if I'd need all that, but it's nice for bragging rights. I think future iPhones will have some of those features. But from a company standpoint I think you may have to balance what the average customer is really going to use rather than just every feature under the sun.

Anyway, we shall see if WinMo can pull back customers by throwing dozens of features on a smartphone and have very few customers being able to use them. Already, I think smartphones are exceeding most user's capabilities. I know younger people that have a difficult time with menuing systems and to bore down through complicated menus can be very confusing especially if you don't know exactly what you're looking for.

I can easily remember lots of functions, but I have a knack for that sort of stuff. Most people I know don't. They'll ask me to figure it out for them.

I think the iPhone will still prevail even though it is lacking in many features because it is easier to use for most owners and they can always go to a Genius Bar or go back to a Retail Store and get plenty of help. All iPhones are basically the same and will make it easier to troubleshoot problems.]]>Feb 16th 2009 11:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/lg-picks-windows-mobile-as-its-primary-smartphone-os-plans-to-r/WinMo and WinMo phones destroy the iPhone in terms of features.

However, you should do a bit more research when you talk of shrinking markets, because it may surprise you but:
"Windows Mobile outsold the iPhone in Q4 2008"
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2569

Or if you so choose to read this link:
"Top Best Selling Smartphones of 2008: Microsoft Wins?"
http://www.wirelessandmobilenews.com/2009/01/top_best_selling_smartphones_of_2008_microsoft_wins.html

Or:
"HTC hits the big time - now 3rd biggest smartphone brand in Q208" (Note the growth percentage)
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=933

Not only are WinMo and WinMo devices superior to any other devices on the market in terms of features and capabilities, but they are still an ever-growing market with no signs of slowdowns yet.]]>Feb 16th 2009 12:35PM