http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/ Engadget Comments for Nokia also joins Adobe initiative, Flash 10 for (almost) all http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 4:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Not!!!!]]>Feb 16th 2009 5:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 4:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
WinMo has flash support also through various addons you can get for free. If it was built in natively it would make it much easier.]]>Feb 16th 2009 5:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 6:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
The news this time was just that Adobe and Nokia set up a $10 million fund for the Project to support application and service development.]]>Feb 16th 2009 6:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
Don't need 'em. Don't want 'em. Flash has become a scourge to the Web.]]>Feb 16th 2009 6:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 5:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 5:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
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Apple is not a supporter of open source and open standards for software on their device. They want complete control.

Luckily the other OS's are open to this. And I know RIM is late, but I don't think they'll exclude themselves. I think RIM still considers itself as a purely business phone and thinks of flash as a non-business oriented development platform. Just look at the Bold and Storm. It's touted for having multimedia playback, but every review doesn't considered the media playback that great.

]]>Feb 16th 2009 5:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/I 100% support domestic products, but I strongly dislike monopolies.]]>Feb 16th 2009 7:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
I always thought little flash plugs on a website were a useful tool for displaying dynamic information. How is it a "scourge to the web"?]]>Feb 16th 2009 10:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
Because Quix is an annoying iFanboy. The iPhone doesn't support flash, therefore, flash = bad.

It's same arguement that they use when it comes to copy/paste, MMS, or a removable battery; If the iPhone doesn't have it, then it must be a useless feature.]]>Feb 16th 2009 11:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
All you people calling apple the monopoly (seriously?) or saying that they don't support open-source (Apple has WebKit. Flash is the most anti-open source monopolistic system there has ever been) are just idiots.]]>Feb 17th 2009 12:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 17th 2009 4:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 5:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 5:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html (took them long enough, though)

It's still marked alpha, but I've been using it for months, and it seems fine. Indeed my distro of choice (Arch Linux) already has it in the stable repos.]]>Feb 16th 2009 5:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 5:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 6:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
Personally I prefer flexibility over elegance, which is one reason why I'm not an Apple guy. But that's just me.]]>Feb 16th 2009 5:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 5:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
I also think Apple wants more control through the use of its App Store. A flash based support would allow users to get tons of potential content outside of the App Store. Also, the platform would allow software to work on multiple devices regardless of OS.]]>Feb 16th 2009 5:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 5:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 5:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
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Enterprises that aren't traditionally tech-savvy seem to be easily impressed with the cheeseball effects that are the hallmark of Flash sites, so they award Web-design contracts to noobs who deliver unusable, animation-saddled Flash sites that looked great in a conference-room demo but suck in use.]]>Feb 16th 2009 5:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
You give an example of Home Depot's flash tool-rental department, but then say people use their phones to get to hotels, restaurant or stores, make you mind up what you want to complain about! I doubt very much flash interferes finding out where your nearest store is. I can't really see a market in wanting to hire a welder by surfing the web on your phone...]]>Feb 16th 2009 5:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 5:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
Repost: "You people seem knowledgeable. Would someone explain to me why flash is so bad for the internet and internet enabled devices?

I always thought little flash plugs on a website were a useful tool for displaying dynamic information. How is it a "scourge to the web"?"

And then there is the point about flash video. I see nothing wrong with flash.]]>Feb 16th 2009 10:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
But really, this is sort of a non-point in my view. Other web standards and poorly designed pages in all languages can be the same way. This is part of why there's such a push now for "true web" hand held browsers. People are sort of saying, "All right, screw smart web standards. Let's just make full blown browsers with some smart page navigation features so it doesn't matter any more. Throw out all the ancient HTML-only browsers."]]>Feb 16th 2009 10:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
"That reliance renders the sites useless to many people using mobile devices."

So then there's two solutions: 1) Don't use Flash. 2) Build out the Adobe engine to even more platforms, extended the cross platform appeal to those on the road.

We can't stop page authors from making poor design choices on occasion, so Adobe's taking a crack at the second one. Let um have at it, I say.]]>Feb 16th 2009 10:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
Because Home Depot isn't a store?

Spare us.]]>Feb 17th 2009 4:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 5:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
Seriously? That sucks. I just bought a BlackBerry Bold and am really liking it. I was hoping that my next upgrade would include Flash...]]>Feb 16th 2009 5:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 5:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
Yeah, lets wet for the iPhone to play catch up because its apple and its cool to be really really unfashionably late.]]>Feb 16th 2009 5:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
Tell me, are you normally this fucking stupid or just making a special effort today?

Slum show? Jesus.]]>Feb 16th 2009 5:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
What's better, symbian or OS X?]]>Feb 16th 2009 5:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 6:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 5:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 5:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 8:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
Not to mention the asinine, interminable "Loading...." messages at every page turn. Annoying music...

Pandering to Flash will do more to hold Web development back than to advance it.]]>Feb 17th 2009 5:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 5:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
"Flash is a stupid feature for stupid people. I don't need Flash and no one else needs Flash for any reason anytime.
But if Apple does do Flash on the iPhone, then EVERYONE ELSE COPIED FROM APPLE BECAUSE NO ONE CAN MATCH APPLE!!"

There, how was that?]]>Feb 16th 2009 6:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/
That is pretty much every single Apple fanboy in this thread, in general.]]>Feb 16th 2009 8:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/nokia-also-joins-adobe-initiative-flash-10-for-almost-all/Feb 16th 2009 11:03PM