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Furthermore, it's their choice. Your sense of false entitlement is laughable. Apple owes you nothing, so get over it.]]>Feb 24th 2009 4:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/Feb 24th 2009 9:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/Feb 25th 2009 4:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
Oh noes adopt a real OS model, but we are so comfortable with Uncle Steve telling us what are computer should run. ]]>Feb 24th 2009 1:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/Feb 24th 2009 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
But anyway Apple is failing of late... If they do not have anything substantial to release this june, then the stock will be downgraded to FAIL.

I told Steve Jobs on the phone last night...i says to steve i says "Yo F****er, your lackey better have some new iPhone ready because that 3G design aint gonna cut it much longer..."

I told them they should have continued to sell the 1st Gen for another year...

Oh... dosed off there for a sec.... I'm awake now.]]>Feb 24th 2009 1:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/Feb 24th 2009 1:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/Feb 24th 2009 2:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
Yes, it is completely fair.

What you fail to understand is that Apple has a completely different business model, even thought this was pointed out to you already. Microsoft makes software for generic computers, Apple doesn't. The primary cause of instability in Windows is 3rd party drivers. Apple doesn't have or want to deal with this problem, and as mentioned they make money from selling the entire package. There is no way they are going to jeopardize that by selling OS X for generic PCs.

The sense of entitlement that you and a lot of folks have is just laughable. "I WANT to run OS X on a non-Mac, therefore I should be able to, and it's just not fair that Apple doesn't give me what I want. Blah, blah, blah." Just because you feel entitled to something does not mean someone must provide it or that you are entitled to it.

You want to run OS X on your Dell? Go buy it and knock yourself out, but don't get pissed at apple because they don't have the drivers you need and it doesn't work like you expect; they don't sell that product, and they never will.

Apple sells an expensive product to those that appreciate it and can afford it, much in the same way that Porsche sells expensive cars to those that are willing to pay for them. A Ford will get you from point A to point B just as well as a Porsche, but with less style, speed and handling. So what? Don't be pissed at Apple because they don't provide you the product you want in the way you want it. Just buy Vista and be happy with it. It's your choice after all. ]]>Feb 24th 2009 2:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
Those computer companies are just too lazy to do so.

I think the fact that most PCs have Windows pre-installed is anti-competitive.


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That isn't an accurate comparison. I can pay just as much money for hardware on a custom build as any Mac which if you read my second comment is what I am talking about. I also don't go wining and complaining to Windows, because the latest ATI/Nvidia drivers suck. Those companies might be inclined to develop drivers for the Mac if it were a viable platform and hey who knows maybe they would be better supported on a Mac OS than Windows.

Basically they are treating the issue by ignoring it or threatening legal action while communities like OSx86 continue to grow with people building their own machines and illegally installing the OS on them.

THINK about this for a minute. What kind of punch in the mouth would it be if Microsoft woke up one morning to see its market share rapidly decreasing because OSX is being sold by other vendors. I think it would be a wake up call for Microsoft to become more innovative and truly fix some of the things that are wrong with Windows.

For what is supposed to be a hip crowd Mac users are very close minded. ]]>Feb 24th 2009 3:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
All this talk about them not going after OSx86 community makes sense, until you come to the realization that Psystar and these guys are attempting to make money off of Apple products by reselling them. Under what precedent is the unlicensed resale of of a modified copyrighted work acceptable?]]>Feb 24th 2009 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/Feb 24th 2009 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
Selling OS X by itself would, servery impact the user experience of OS X, would significantly increase Apple's support costs, and would seriously impact the sales of Macs. Overall this would be very bad for Apple for numerous reasons.

It's all moot. They will NEVER do this.]]>Feb 24th 2009 6:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
Wow, you're a fool.

Apple can't use M$'s model because it does NOT work for a hardware manufacturer. Microsoft doesn't make PC's.

M$'s model works for M$ because they ONLY sell software and they license it to hardware manufacturers. Apple already TRIED that crap in the 90's and it cost them dearly. They nearly went bankrupt as a result.

Where do you get off saying that it isn't a *real* distribution method for an OS? Sure it is. Even MICROSOFT does the same thing with the OS on their Xbox 360. Make a clone of that with their 360 OS on it and they'll make sure you feed the fishes.]]>Feb 24th 2009 8:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
Windows is robust, OSX is less so.

Windows can be bought by any yahoo with a processor, motherboard, and memory and installed any way the consumer wants.

Macs are a nice little package that can be bought (for a premium) so that the person doesn't have to "deal" with the hassle of drivers/ software/ external hardware not working.]]>Feb 24th 2009 8:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
2. it makes a lot of sense given that Apple does their own tech support. if the OS could be used on anything, it would be hella more expensive to train their techs to support all the possibilities. as well as to update the OS to not break under every possible configuration]]>Feb 25th 2009 1:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/

oh but wait, i'm not an iFan and this isn't an iBlog! So please go find some real news.]]>Feb 24th 2009 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
Vell, zie machine itself is not sehr gut looking, und it vill not last sehr lange.
Aber, es ist ziemlich schnell...]]>Feb 24th 2009 1:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/Feb 24th 2009 1:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
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That's possibly true but then their market share is already low and the profits they are making would go through the floor unless they licensed the OS for far more than they currently sell it. Right now Apple is one of the most profitable hardware manufacturers, so why would they want to change a winning formula? Market share really isn't important if you are making a good enough profit and that's what shareholders care about.]]>Feb 25th 2009 4:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
Guess they already knew the company was going down when they where looking for a name, so they didn't really bother to find a good one..]]>Feb 24th 2009 1:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/Feb 24th 2009 1:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/Feb 24th 2009 1:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
Up front Apple products are a little more expensive than other PC manufacturers but I got a computer that will serve me longer then if I custom built something.]]>Feb 24th 2009 2:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
Why the heck hasn't Apple gotten the crap sued out of them for being FAR FAR more restrictive?]]>Feb 24th 2009 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/Feb 24th 2009 2:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/Feb 24th 2009 2:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
10% of the market should be enough to justify a law suit. They also have a much higher share of the video processing market (and a few others).

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And furthermore, you can't completely delete Internet Explorer from Windows, while Safari can easily be deleted from OS X.

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I thought we got over this?]]>Feb 24th 2009 2:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
Safari is completely standalone and wont break a damn thing if you delete it. You see the difference now? MS was being anticompetitive be disallowing you to run another browser. Apple isn't being anticompetitive at all. Not even a little bit. Try it, install Firefox on a Mac. Did it break the OS? Then it's not being anticompetitive.

Please buy a clue, thx.]]>Feb 24th 2009 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
Microsoft changed things in their OS to make competing software run poorly or even not run at all. They also did things to discourage the OEM manufacturers from bundling Netscape as well.

"Why the heck hasn't Apple gotten the crap sued out of them for being FAR FAR more restrictive?"

Apple isn't stopping you from buying a different computer or using windows. So you have OPTIONS. Microsoft created a scenario where you have NO options. If you want to use OSX, you gotta get a Mac, but Apple isn't stopping you from using other OSes. If you DON'T buy a Mac, you can always use a Windows or *snicker* Linux PC.

@Pacman

"Microsoft didn't get sued for bundling. Microsoft got sued for threatening to revoke volume licenses from computer companies if they installed Netscape by default on the Windows desktop.

And furthermore, you can't completely delete Internet Explorer from Windows, while Safari can easily be deleted from OS X."

Yeah, you beat me to it.

I think he fact that you can never, EVER, get rid of IE is a nail in the coffin for Microsoft in this case. It's even worse-so because IE is a awful piece of software. I pity anyone who uses it.
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Definition of teenage fiddling
1.
verb.
To play with pre-built OS X style themes in the Ubuntu Linux OS]]>Feb 24th 2009 3:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
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Of course, Apple would continue to give actual Mac users discounts which keep the price down near the $129.00 level. They could also keep credit card purchases on file, just in case third party resellers like Psystar try to buy a Mac and then try to buy more than two copies of an OS X licenses.

]]>Feb 24th 2009 2:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/ "No, all Apple really needs to do is jack up the price on OS X so that third parties can't make money off it when they resell on non-Mac computers."

Exactly. If Apple made OS X $699, this would all be over. Current Mac users would have to provide their serial number when they need an upgrade for $129. Or just not offer shrink wrapped OS X at all.

But I never thought any of this was about other companies making money. Psystar is just doing it to prove a point... and this German company actually said it won't last long. They know they aren't playing by the rules..]]>Feb 24th 2009 3:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
Bring on the day when OS X is open to the masses, it will happen eventually just like when Compaq worked out how to re-engineer IBM PC BIOS without stepping on their patents and open up PCs for everyone.

The thing I never understand is why do iDiots feel so threatened by PCs running OS X, is because their smug superiority complex will be lost forever against people who actually know what their hardware can actually do ?]]>Feb 24th 2009 3:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
We don't want Apple to license OS X because then it would become a crapfest of driver support and be unstable just like Windows. Furthermore, remove Apple's hardware margin incentive and they stop making money and you know what happens then? Apple stops making Macs and you know what happens when Microsoft gets 99 percent of the market? Microsoft stops innovating and maybe updates Windows once every fifteen years, exactly like they did with Internet Explorer.

When Netscape was kicking around, Micrososft had a 100 people on their Internet Explorer team. When Netscape died (or got killed) Microsoft reduced that team to 2 people. And we all know what happened then. Microsoft didn't start innovating with Internet Explorer until Firefox appeared on the scene, so these Apple clones aren't good for Windows users either.

Apple could drop Macs altogether and just make iPods and iPhones. Who wants the headache of supporting a bazillion different drivers without the proper profit incentive. The only reason Microsoft makes money off their OS is because they have a monopoly.



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no one is debating whether of not you can put your own copy of osx on another pc. you would, of course need to buy a multi-license unless you were just going to install it on that one pc. but it would be illegal to resell it at any price.

you can tinker with it all you want.

but you can't do what zie weimar are doing in this case]]>Feb 24th 2009 5:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/24/german-mac-cloners-we-know-our-product-wont-last-long/
These guys are. See the difference?

" it's a complete joke Microsoft can't tell me what I'm allowed to install the products I buy from them on"

Hardware verification. Ever heard of that?

M$ has a EULA too. Look it up.

"no other company in the world acts like that"

Microsoft (Xbox and Xbox 360), Sony (PS1, 2 and 3), Nintendo (geez, pick a system), Palm (Palm OS), SGI (At least until they opened their platform up, now they are no longer around), SUN (until they opened their platform up, now what condition are they in again?) IBM (They fought clone manufacturers in court), RIM...

The list goes on and on and on...

"Bring on the day when OS X is open to the masses, it will happen eventually just like when Compaq worked out how to re-engineer IBM PC BIOS without stepping on their patents and open up PCs for everyone."

How was that good for IBM?

It wasn't. The ONLY reason that flew was due to the fact that Microsoft didn't care as long as they were selling more copies of windows. In Apple's case, they would be STRONGLY opposed.

In fact, I believe that all Intel Macs have a TPM chip in place, a chip that, at present, isn't being used. Apple could easily make all future versions of OSX require hardware and TPM verification in order to be installed.

That means VALID serial numbers that are in their database, would be required.

See, Apple keeps track of every single Mac made and sold.

I just bought a Macbook a few weeks ago. I can call Apple RIGHT NOW and they would be able to tell me when I bought it, WHERE I bought it and even WHAT upgrades I got with it.

So, there you have it, TPM and Hardware verification. Call in with a incorrect serial and you don't get the passcode. Don't have an authentic TPM in your machine, no install. Remove or alter those components and maybe other components rewrite them or OSX phones home every time you boot. They can lock it down.]]>Feb 24th 2009 8:38PM