http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/ Engadget Comments for Nokia working on laptops, ARM-powered MID? http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 25th 2009 8:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 25th 2009 8:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 25th 2009 8:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 25th 2009 8:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 25th 2009 8:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/
Give it enough juice to run Windows 7 and that will be the ultimate handheld device.

Imagine being able to run your almost infinite array of Windows apps on a handheld.]]>Feb 25th 2009 8:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/
Give it an x86 to run NT 7, or any other version, and you'll either be hauling around a normal laptop-sized battery or running out of power. The MIDs so far suffer from this penalty -- they all have at least one, usual two, of these problems: bad performance, short battery life, or too big/heavy.

Look at ARM machines -- that'd be most, if not all, feature/smartphones and PDAs, Nokia's internet tablets, and the like. They use tiny single-cell Li-ion batteries and mostly run all day, without going into standby or suspend modes. Almost no x86 laptops, netbooks, or mids can do that, and the ones that do have batteries that are disproportionately big. (Obviously battery capacity should scale with screen area, assuming the same brightness, but that's not enough to account for the netbooks' batteries.)

So unless you really expect Intel to swing another improvement in power usage on the order of Atom, without a similar performance hit, ARM is the key here. That means existing desktop apps are out, until some ARM platform is big enough that their owners will port them to it. And if Microsoft _won't_ port their flagship OS to it, your options are mainly Windows Mobile/CE, Linux, Symbian, and maker-specific OSes.

Given those options, I'm rooting for Linux, and specifically Maemo. If you don't like open-source apps (which other people can port (and mostly _have_ ported) to ARM for you), then Windows Mobile is probably your best bet, for existing support, but you can bet Nokia's not riding that train.]]>Feb 25th 2009 9:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 25th 2009 8:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/
That's all i could come up with.]]>Feb 25th 2009 8:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Or make it shorter, "DECEPTICON".]]>Feb 26th 2009 11:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 26th 2009 5:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/
Wireless (cellular) networking is going to have to get cheaper before these products really take off the way they could. Otherwise, it won't matter if they run Windows or Linux or have widgets or crap-lets for an interface.]]>Feb 25th 2009 8:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 26th 2009 4:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 26th 2009 4:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 26th 2009 5:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/
Thats all i could come up with]]>Feb 25th 2009 8:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 25th 2009 9:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/
LAKERS in '09]]>Feb 25th 2009 8:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/I'm not prejudiced and actually part Norwegian myself.

Those weird rounded ovals and diamond keys... what were the designers thinking?
Compare these crude designs to HTC and there is no reason to go Nokia (IMO). ]]>Feb 25th 2009 8:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 25th 2009 9:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/
That said, even if it's ugly... how is comparing the design alone adequate to dismiss it? This is a netbook-thing, not a fashion accessory, and if the functionality is superior overall, I'll buy it no matter how ugly it is. The design doesn't have any practical shortcomings big enough they couldn't be overcome by (currently unknown) software and internal advantages.]]>Feb 25th 2009 9:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/I don't get it. What does you being part Norwegian have to do with anything?]]>Feb 26th 2009 5:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/
Pocketable for someone with big pockets, probably a 5" screen (like the HTC Advantage)
detachable keyboard (like Advantage)
AMOLED screen
Full wireless connectivity

and.... (now I'll take the hit for this)
Windows Mobile OS, because of the huge application base.

So, in fact, the HTC Advantage is my ideal device. It just didn't have the power to do what needed to be done, especially with regard to video playback, and at the time the Internet experience was miserable, although with Opera 9.5 mobile it's much better now.

I have an N800, an iPaq HX700, and an Archos 5 so I can compare.

The N800 felt best in the hand but was ridiculously underpowered. The OS was very limited, and thought it was "open source", most of what was available for it was crap.

The Archos had the best internet experience, and the HX4700 had the best video playback (thanks to Coreplayer) and best overall software choice. But, I would never buy another Archos product because their system is totally closed and you are entirely at the mercy of Archos for software. That's not working out well.

The HX4700 I have had for 4 1/2 years, and is still my preferred day to day device. That says something. ]]>Feb 25th 2009 8:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/
Haven't there been a bunch of rumors about updated Nokia Tablets using the (still very impressive) Cortex-A8 OMAP3 platform?? Whats going on with those/ when are they due to be released?]]>Feb 25th 2009 8:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/
The SDK has been through a couple pre-alpha releases, and the alpha SDK is due soon. Speculation abounds as to when Nokia will actually announce the new device, but obviously it won't actually ship, even to developers, until _at least_ a beta release of the OS, and we already know a lot about the hardware from the SDK releases. (See http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25478 for what's known.)]]>Feb 26th 2009 12:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 25th 2009 9:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/
Disappointed to say the least. I had hopes for it.]]>Feb 25th 2009 9:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/
Nokia used to make PCs in the 80s, but sold it to Siemens when consentrating in mobile phones. Siemens closed the finnish factories a few years later. Not because they were inefficient, completely opposite as they were producing computers cheaper than german factories, but because workforce for cheaper to sack in Finland than Germany.

But I digress. With about 40% market share and maturing phone markets Nokia needs some other productline to keep groving. Portable computers are one logical possibility.]]>Feb 25th 2009 9:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 25th 2009 9:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 25th 2009 10:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/ ...not, even the E63 is a good size
]]>Feb 28th 2009 1:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/b) it's supposedly a mockup made by a website reporting on a nokia MID interview, so it's not even nokia's MID
c) your title says "ARM-powered MID?" ... nokia already has 3 ... the 770, N800, and N810.

c) as for a nokia laptop... I'd be happy to buy a Nokia Maemo based convertible tablet netbook... 7" or 9" screen, PCI-Express Mini card slot read for 3G card, 1 or 2 full size SDHC card slots, 1.8" or 2.5" drive bay for HDD or SSD, gobs of battery and memory. Yup, I'd be ALL over that.]]>Feb 25th 2009 10:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 25th 2009 11:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 26th 2009 2:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Maybe they'll relaunch their earlier computerbrand MikroMikko and
use Symbian as OS -> epic fail.]]>Feb 26th 2009 3:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 26th 2009 4:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 26th 2009 5:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/
What is is striking in the article is that Android, still at rev 1, will only be largely ready only by rev 3, which is when the other hardware manufacturers will come on board. That means were still looking at HTC to lead the way with the lesser known Chinese companies bringing up the reaer, at least for the next couple of years.

I have an N800 internet tablet, and while I like maemo and how it is very suited to the screen size and resolution, I wish the hardware had built in WWAN. The trouble is that as phones become MIDs and MIDs become phones this would put Nokia in the unenviable posiiton of supporting 2 different OSes on largely similar devices. Eldar's description of the multi-sliding device makes me think more of the N95 than the N97 above/ N810 remix above.]]>Feb 26th 2009 9:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/25/nokia-working-on-laptops-arm-powered-mid/Feb 26th 2009 9:46AM