http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/ Engadget Comments for 17-inch MBP fan / overheating issues causing GeForce 9600M to bug out? http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Mar 8th 2009 6:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Mar 8th 2009 6:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Mar 8th 2009 6:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Why after the messy 8600m GT thing, Apple didn't switch to ATi instead?

ATi has this PowerXpress thing too.

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S. Jobs has to go away and this is what happens?

Its like the arse hats running the place are Substitute teachers and all the little drones are having a free 4 all.

time to clear house...

This just proves that Steve Jobs IS APPLE!!!!, nothing like this happens when he is around.

bunch of clowns.]]>Mar 8th 2009 7:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Mar 8th 2009 7:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Mar 8th 2009 7:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Mar 8th 2009 8:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/
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We have it in our files that you're using the undocumented psychedelic colors feature. That feature is no longer offered for free, but it for now will cost only $3.99 a month. You have to accept this undisclosure agreement, the new EULA, and the new SLA. Your refusal to do so will restrict use of your machine to mirror mode. Our policy at Apple is to always nickel-and-dime our customers for their maximum experience. Thank you for your preference.

Steve


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So, I took the plunge into the world of OSX86 on my (2.5 yr old) Dell e1705/9400 laptop. Amazingly, with a simple install of "iPC 10.5.5" and the "post install OSX86 Dell utilities", every single component is working fine. I would recommend it to anyone. (buy an OSX Leopard license please). So now I have a 17" "DellBook Pro" with 1920x1200 screen, C2D, Expresscard, Firewire 400, Nvidia Quadro 160M GPU, 320GB 7200RPM, etc.

Until Apple gets their shit together, they are not getting a dime from me for Mac hardware.]]>Mar 9th 2009 3:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/
1) Apple Computer, For Mac engineers who want to focus on Macintosh and raise the quality control back up to a high level. The way it should be for price Apple ask for their Macs.

2) And Apple Inc, For those inside the company who just want to make money selling music and videos at any cost.]]>Mar 9th 2009 4:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/I know that apple likes to cram a shitload of technology in a small package, but how can they not think that overheating will be an issue. makes me wonder if these products were put through its paces before they were released]]>Mar 8th 2009 6:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/
Recommendation: If you must buy an Apple product, then please buy the best warranty that you can. A good and expensive one. Then you are covered. You will still have to make lots of trips to the Genius Bar, but you will not be out of pocket too much... AND .... you may be tempted to buy more Apple products whilst you are there (if you wait around long enough to have forgotten why you came, or how many times you have been before).

On the subject of Genius Bars: PLEASE PLEASE make an appointment well ahead. My many trips to the Genius bars have shown me that there are many many people waiting to complain about their defective products. The wait can be extensive.

A recent study showed that Apple along with Asus were the worst two companies for product failures.

BUY Apple warranties. Please.]]>Mar 8th 2009 7:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/
There's a reason that the other 17", higher end GPU-sporting (and the 9600M isn't even really high-end, more around a generation old midrange part since the 260M replaced it, and the 280M is the new flagship) notebooks have bigger packages and fans+heatsinks galore; they run hot.

The cooling system is obviously under engineered and will likely never (in its current design) totally dissipate all the 8600M's heat. It just can't. Forcing fans to max all the time isn't really a good fix if it isn't working for everyone. More than likely, apple will release a firmware update or .kext which underclocks the 8600M and applies the fan tweaks as well. Then we will see more robust cooling solution packing 17" MBPs roll out.

Did anyone even test these things with the better graphics turned on? I mean, sheesh apple. This reminds me of the whole we-applied-about-20-times-more-thermal-paste-than-necessary-because-more-is-better debacle. Anyone remember that one?]]>Mar 8th 2009 7:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Squaretrade-888128.html.]]>Mar 8th 2009 7:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/
you beat me to it. I was looking for that for ages. thanks chap.]]>Mar 8th 2009 7:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/
are you saying that Apple products are badly designed ? it certainly sounds like it.

All Apple do, is to design the box that components fit into. You are saying that they put the wrong components into the wrong box. True ?

That is all they had to do. And they got that wrong.]]>Mar 8th 2009 7:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/
I laughed a bit at the notion of designing a laptop being as simple as designing a box, and then chucking parts in it.

Take a look at the MBP '08 mobo on iFixit. The ICs themselves are reference design chips (for example, the CPU, northbridge-GPU combo, dedicated 8600M GPU, e.t.c. are all reference designs), but the motherboard and packaging itself, their placement, as well as ports, cooling, and whatever other modular components apple throws in there are all apple's own design.

If, by badly designed, you mean insufficiently designed to cool the thing (read through the forum, some people have their CPUs running up at 200 degrees F! That's way beyond what the TM2 thermal throttling built into the Core 2 Duo is designed to even throttle to, the GPU is running at almost 180+ in some peoples posts too), then yes, they're craptacularly designed. ]]>Mar 8th 2009 7:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/
I like the cut of your jib.




http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cut%20of%20your%20jib]]>Mar 8th 2009 7:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/"A recent study showed that Apple along with Asus were the worst two companies for product failures. "

Apple is one of the worst, yes, but the other one is not Asus, that's Acer, I think.]]>Mar 8th 2009 8:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/
I can haz link to study? I'd be really interested to see how specwise-identical laptops stack up against each other.]]>Mar 8th 2009 8:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Mar 8th 2009 8:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Mar 8th 2009 9:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Mar 8th 2009 9:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Mar 8th 2009 10:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/
lmao]]>Mar 9th 2009 12:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/
Hardware reliability studies are themselves notoriously prone to unreliability - if you search you will find it easy to locate independent studies done in the last year and a half that have named Sony, Dell, Lenovo and (yes) Apple as having "most reliable laptop", among many other brands!

The results continually change based on the geographical area under study, and particularly the methodology involved. No one study has ever been accepted as providing a conclusive answery. SquareTrade themselves released a report (Nov 08) that said iPhones were *twice* as reliable as BlackBerries, and to be frank, I don't really buy that, either.

The one thing that does arise from most hardware reliability studies, is that the gap between the top brands is usually quite small, and is constantly changing as companies adopt newer practices. So relying on one study will get you nowhere, irrespective of which study it is.

btw does anyone have a link to the actual SquareTrade Aug '08 study (not a press release) because all the reports I can find only say that Apple is in the bottom three, not where they actually ended up or what the results for all companies were.]]>Mar 9th 2009 12:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/
I had to laugh when i read the article, since they say informed buyers will go after the best combo of reliability, features, and price... all of which apple seems to lose out on, moreso according to this study. In truth, good marketing will sell ALMOST any product.]]>Mar 9th 2009 3:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Mar 8th 2009 6:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Mar 8th 2009 7:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Mar 8th 2009 7:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Mar 8th 2009 7:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Mar 9th 2009 12:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Mar 8th 2009 6:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/
QA Manager: Yeah, and othe laptops don't? You typical anti-apple troll. Don't forget this is first gen, you should expect these teething issues / growing pains when you get cutting edge hardware.

QA Tester: So we ship?

QA Manager: Yeah. Then we fix.]]>Mar 8th 2009 7:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/

89. Marriage
On second marriages: "The triumph of hope over experience."

http://www.samueljohnson.com/marriage.html#89

HOPE OVER EXPERIENCE. (maybe next time it'll be better !). (fingers crossed).]]>Mar 8th 2009 7:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/
But WTF was the rest of that meandering post?]]>Mar 8th 2009 8:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/
It was clever, that's what it was. Although that Second Marriage thing was a tad bizarre...]]>Mar 8th 2009 8:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/
they usually get it right by REV-C, iPhone 3.0 is going to be the phone I want it to be... I really hope so.]]>Mar 9th 2009 11:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Mar 8th 2009 6:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Mar 8th 2009 7:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/
Stop bringing you little sister in to be a puppet for you.]]>Mar 8th 2009 7:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/Bag of heat...I mean hurt..?]]>Mar 9th 2009 12:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/08/17-inch-mbp-fan-overheating-issues-causing-geforce-9600m-to-bu/
id go crazy if i had to go thru all these issues after spending $2000+ for one of these things... geez hope apple looks out for you guys who took the plunge]]>Mar 8th 2009 6:47PM