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And if that number doesn't include Android, it's kind of sad to see that the G1's market penetration is still so low that it doesn't even make the chart. We need some more Android handsets ASAP.]]>Mar 13th 2009 8:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
I can only guess there is something China based that does not get any mention over here?]]>Mar 13th 2009 8:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 11:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
Call it iPhone OS, which is what it really is.]]>Mar 13th 2009 6:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 7:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
I'm surprised that Linux's share is decreasing... maybe they're not making them anymore since Android came out?]]>Mar 13th 2009 8:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
I'm suprised to see apple so high in 2008 compared to Winmo, 1 handset vs xxxx?]]>Mar 13th 2009 8:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 10:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 6:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 6:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 7:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 7:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 7:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 9:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
I don't think it's a smart phone if you are not at least using web and email on a regular basis. ]]>Mar 13th 2009 10:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
Any Symbian device is a smartphone, whether you like it or not.]]>Mar 13th 2009 10:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 7:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
Now that Symbian is free, there's nothing to stop them shoving it into lower cost phones. These figures are a drop in the ocean compared to Nokia's overall phone sales. I wouldn't be surprised if Android ends up in the majority of Motorla phones too.]]>Mar 13th 2009 7:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
What are you basing those numbers off of?]]>Mar 13th 2009 1:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/ - Free operating systems are extremely attractive when you're selling hundreds of millions of phones per year
- Apple will never compete for the low-end (it's not their business model)
- BB OS and WinMo are both enterprise-niche operating systems]]>Mar 13th 2009 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
Something free is not always better. On phones, the MS license is on the order of $3-5/device (at least it was back in the CE days when I last dealt with it), and can be passed directly through to the consumer (no need for an operational overhead markup). Compare that to developing on open source and looking for community support. In certain situations it is nice, but when you have a million devices out in the field and something goes wrong with the software, don't you want to know that there's someone you can call, someone who's ass is on the line if they don't fix it right away?

So as much as you might think that Symbian is now poised to take over the smartphone market by being "free", it isn't. The thousands of man-hours already spent learning WM are not going to be tossed aside to save a few bucks per device. And remember - these numbers aren't reflective of the WHOLE cellphone market, just the Smartphone market. WM doesn't work in the non-smartphone market, and I wouldn't be surprised to see some homogenization there, instead of the thousands of one-off OSs that dominate the freephone world.]]>Mar 13th 2009 6:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 7:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
In fact the quarterly numbers show the iPhone falling behind, with sales down 15%, while WM sales were up 15%, handedly outselling the iPhone by 700 000 units.

With no price drop from $400 to $200 in sight (like last year) , I think triple digit growth will soon be a fantasy for the iPhone from now on.

In fact, in Q3 2009, they will have to sell nearly 9 million just to get 100% growth - not going to happen.]]>Mar 13th 2009 7:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
With partnership backing and also 6.5 and 7 next year it should be interesting for winmo.

Platform developers already have photon/7 so hopefully no more delays :-)

Stagnating is not the word I would have chosen but i haven't got an apple up my arse.]]>Mar 13th 2009 8:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
I am not going to argue with published figures but I am going to argue about the future. Are you Nostradamus or something that you can predict the rest of the year for the mobile phone industry? How do you know there is no price cut for the iPhone coming? Why do you think that the iPhone won't sell 9 million this year? You may be completely correct but my point is that you don't know this. You have absolutely no idea what Apple is planning to release this year. Do your predictions still hold if Apple was to release the rumored iPhone Nano?

Seriously, who cares about Windows Mobile? If the statistics are anything to go by, surely RIM is much more important but I note that you're not having a go at them. With Windows Mobile not due to be refreshed until the end of the year it is much more likely that Windows Mobile growth will stagnate while people wait for the next version or switch to something more modern.]]>Mar 13th 2009 8:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Not 9 million a year, 9 million a quarter. Even RIM only managed 5.8 million in Q4 2008.


"Seriously, who cares about Windows Mobile?"

Seemlingly more than who cares about the iPhone.

"If the statistics are anything to go by, surely RIM is much more important but I note that you're not having a go at them. With Windows Mobile not due to be refreshed until the end of the year it is much more likely that Windows Mobile growth will stagnate while people wait for the next version or switch to something more modern."

Reasons why WM will do well in 2009:

1) Aggressive action by new large licensees like LG, who pledged 50 new WM phones over the next 3 years.

Windows Mobile’s strength has always been its licensees, and with 4 out of the big 5 using the OS in some capacity, and like Samsung having pretty good returns on the investment we can be assured the OS will get good support. None of the big mobile phone companies want to have the market eaten by RIM and Apple.

2) Attack on the low end by netbook king Acer (remember £50 phones, free on contract?)

Another one of Windows Mobile’s strengths is its adaptability, from very high end to especially low end, low cost devices. Even Google Android devices appear to demand a minimum of HVGA capacitive screens, courtesy of Google. With the global recession devices that address the low end will be increasingly important, and off all the mobile OS’s (except possibly Symbian) none will go as low as Windows Mobile.

3) Increasing skill by WM licensees like HTC, even on 6.1

Windows Mobile keeps getting better, even without the OS being upgraded by Microsoft. TouchFlo3D 2 brings us many of the improvements of Windows Mobile 6.5 well before Windows Mobile will be available. This does not happen in isolation, and involves a lot of help by Microsoft, who share this with other Windows Mobile licensees.

4) A range of new, very attractive devices like the new Touch Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2.

One of the main reasons Windows Mobile will do well in 2009 is the great devices set to be released this year, by the likes of HTC, Gigabyte and Toshiba.

5) Slacking competition

RIM’s devices are getting boring, with only one main (pretty boring) form factor, Apple’s iPhone form factor is getting very stale, and due to the size of their 3rd party catalogue they are trapped in it, and Android who has NOTHING of note coming out very soon.

WM 6.5 will in addition bring a much more attractive base UI, which will make it very easy for any company to enter the smartphone market, and will feature an app store, my phone web integration and Zune software. ]]>Mar 13th 2009 8:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 9:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 10:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 12:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
Also, show me where WM improved 245% year over year, would you? Because you make it sound like Windows Mobile is actually doing better than OS X mobile.

FACTS ARE HARD lol.]]>Mar 13th 2009 11:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
"Apple's market share in this segment comes from ONE PHONE. ONE."

Does it really matter? Is Apple going to license OS X mobile in the future?

]]>Mar 13th 2009 2:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/In Europe the Samsung Omnia is outselling the iPhone in Germany and many other countries. Your US perspective is warping your view of reality.

How about some facts for you.

iPhone in 2007 - 6 months of sales, half at $600
iPhone 2008 12 months of sales, half at $200.

So iPhone trebled sales - NO SURPRISE.

Do you even know how WM phone sales increased between 2002 and 2003?

FACTS ARE HARD lol. Go to school.]]>Mar 13th 2009 3:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/In Europe the Samsung Omnia is outselling the iPhone in Germany and many other countries. Your US perspective is warping your view of reality.

How about some facts for you.

iPhone in 2007 - 6 months of sales, half at $600
iPhone 2008 12 months of sales, half at $200.

So iPhone trebled sales - NO SURPRISE.

Do you even know how WM phone sales increased between 2002 and 2003?

FACTS ARE HARD lol. Go to school.]]>Mar 13th 2009 3:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
Yes? And?]]>Mar 13th 2009 9:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
I was wondering about which handhelds ran linux also.

I think there is still huge potential for growth in the smartphone market as more devices qualify for the category.]]>Mar 13th 2009 7:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Wait until they get a good product out there with 6.5 I think their numbers will be much higher.]]>Mar 13th 2009 7:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
My number one hope is that they bring WPF to their mobile OS. If we have that kind of power and freedom while developing mobile UI then it could really have the potential to shoot WinMo back to the leader position.]]>Mar 13th 2009 8:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 8:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 10:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 10:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 8:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
Example, the Nokia 5800 here in the UK is given away for free on a £15 a month plane for 18months. £15 A MONTH. no wonder their selling like hot cakes here.

iphone 3Gen, Nokia n97, Android magic(G2), Winmo 6.5..... 2009 will be very interesting indeed.

I must say though, the US market is really helping the iPhone and the G1, am sure 3/4 of iphone are sold in that market]]>Mar 13th 2009 8:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/You don't have to get some super expensive plan.]]>Mar 13th 2009 8:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/I look around the phones held by business guys at lunchtime, and yeah, they're heavily into their berries.

Developers are going to go to the phone that sells their apps. At the moment it's iPhone with it's App Store, but all it needs is for the other systems to get their own App Stores up and working smoothly.]]>Mar 13th 2009 8:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 8:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 8:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/Mar 13th 2009 8:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/13/gartner-posts-worldwide-mobile-os-numbers-for-2008/
Linux are on a lot of Phones, mainly motorola, (the Z-series i.e. Z10) and Networn branded handsets, its just adapted by the manufactueres]]>Mar 13th 2009 8:15AM