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There's no reason for Apple to change the case of the MacPro. How do you improve on something that's already perfect? It ain't heavy...it's just Apple excellence.]]>Mar 14th 2009 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/Mar 14th 2009 2:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
That is a joke. Apple share bottom place in the world for quality. They have the highest Warranty claim rate of any manufacturer.

They continually beta test product on unsuspecting customers, who are unwilling to be given the title of tester.

The whole iPhone debacle has not faded from memory yet. My Mac Mini died FINALLY after 6 trips to the Genius bar in 2 years.

That is certainly rich, putting "excellence" and "Apple" in the same sentence. You are not on this planet.

Apple quality is SH1T. No debate.]]>Mar 14th 2009 3:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
let me guess... your best friend told you, or you read that on a message board somewhere. well of course it must be true then. im on # 32 piece of apple equipment. ive had 1 problem out of all of that... on an ipod of all things. hdd went bad.


"Apple quality is SH1T. No debate."

yes... who in the world would want to debate you and your excellent debating skills!

opinion != fact

your opinion == pile of steamy elephant dung.

^^^^^^^^^^
fact.]]>Mar 14th 2009 3:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
this is not a debate. this is not subject to a subjective opinion. this is FACT. this is published stated fact. READ the NEWS. idiot.]]>Mar 14th 2009 3:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
I can't find evidence online of such a survey and would love to see pointers. When looking for it, I did find plenty of studies saying that Appl has the highest consumer satisfaction in the industry. See this, for example, from a month ago.

http://www.macdailynews.com/gfx/article_gfx/2009/090218_cw_satisfaction.gif
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APPLE FAILURE RATES ARE THE HIGHEST....


http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Squaretrade-888128.html

read it. digest it. this is FACT.

Apple quality SUCKS a big one.]]>Mar 14th 2009 4:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
I had a lot more problems with my PowerBook a few years ago than I thought I should. That's why they replaced it with a much newer, much better MacBook Pro for free. And I haven't had a problem with it yet.

And as far as "READ[ing] the NEWS" goes, I think you're on to something. Try it:

I had in mind the (several iterations of) Consumer Reports reviews, in which Apple hardware and tech support consistently rank at the top. While you can't read the whole reviews online without a subscription, you can get an idea from the "Consider Tech Support" portion, here:

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/electronics-computers/computers-internet/computer/computers/overview/computers-ov.htm

If you want a review of reliability, you could try these links (representing the last couple of years), where, again, Apple is consistently best:

http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/57675
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/19436/

I'm not saying nothing ever goes wrong with Apple machines. In fact, I've already admitted to being the owner of an Apple product that had problems. Believe me, I'm a long way from thinking Apple is a perfect company. I am, however, claiming that you're uninformed, a troll, a hypocrite, and a moron. Choke on scorpions, kc. Choke on scorpions.]]>Mar 14th 2009 4:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
Personally, I've had a couple of issues with Apple products that were replaced at the store, no questions asked, and I didn't even have a receipt.

Dell may claim better service, but I've personally spent hours on the phone with Dell's shitty Indian support trying to resolve issues that were clearly their fault, such as installing the wrong video card, and claiming I needed to pay for a replacement, then after the support issue crossed the 30 day mark, claiming that it was now too late to fix the problem. That next day thing only applies to their business machines or if you pay for their support plans. You're not getting in next day in home replacement if you have a problem with your $500 Inspiron and didn't purchase their extra warranty; this I can state as a fact.

You can find stuff to back up your argument whatever side you're on, but my personal experience with Apple products has been only positive dating back to 2003 when I got my first iPod.

To me the problem isn't if Apple stuff breaks, it's if it gets fixed. In my experience, it does.
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Still I think mac are good products. Its just not my cup of tea anymore... I did pay 3000$ for a goddam G4 in the past but I dont spend that kind of money on computer now because in 6 month it will be obsolete anyway. Spending 1200$ per year on Hardware is the best ratio price/power I have found. Right now the sweet spot is on the i7 2.66ghz cpu. for 900$ you get a monster machine. No need of Xeon, its just silly when only 3D package will profit from 8 cores.]]>Mar 14th 2009 8:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
That particular report has been raised a few times recently. There is no problem at all with that report, on its own. The problem is that there have been many, many reports on warranty returns by many different groups, and they all come to different results. Different methodologies, different geographical areas, etc.

It is easy to find reports that state that Apple is #1, same with Sony, and Dell, and HP; conversely it is all to easy to find a report by some group saying that "company X has the highest warranty returns and is therefor least reliable". There is no one accepted measure, and so mentioning one report as though it is the only report is a misleading practice.]]>Mar 14th 2009 9:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/Mar 14th 2009 10:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
Agreed that Dell's consumer customer support has much to be desired, but since we're talking about a Mac Pro with likely 'applecare' support, I'd compare this to Dell's Business support, which is almost unbeatable. Opting for the 4 year, 24/7 4-hour onsite service is a smart idea for mission critical business systems. Business support give you a line that calls the same support team directly (based in the US). Have a drive failure at midnight? They'll be there to replace it by 4am. That service has saved my butt many times. No additional charge.

Apple doesn't offer any support like that. Not even close.]]>Mar 15th 2009 1:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
But the real reason I came to post is that my Aug '06 Mac Pro has slide-out trays for RAM. I don't see how that's difficult to upgrade.]]>Mar 15th 2009 4:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
Poor dude, doesn't know the difference between "poor" and "pure".]]>Mar 15th 2009 8:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/Mar 14th 2009 1:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/Mar 14th 2009 1:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
http://support.apple.com/specs/#macpro]]>Mar 14th 2009 1:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/Mar 14th 2009 2:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
I love that case, but Mac's just aren't for me. ]]>Mar 14th 2009 5:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
And considering how long in the tooth that case design is that's not a good thing.

It seems to me that the only reason they added the removeable tray was to show some evidence that they actually give a damn about the state of their pro desktop design. Practically speaking it's an almost worthless addition since the Pro upgrade possibilities and frequency at which that happens are minute. I've busted open my old Pro case to upgrade the RAM twice in 5 years.

This appears to have been solely added to give the impression of "progress" when in fact it's more akin to Apple just treading water.

And before anyone rattles off the old "if it ain't broke ..." cliche, you're wrong. There is always a way to make a better design. That's why Apple don't sell blue bubble or lamp iMacs now.]]>Mar 14th 2009 8:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/Mar 15th 2009 12:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/Mar 15th 2009 1:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
it is the exact same size case, I put them side by side.]]>Mar 15th 2009 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
It looks harder to change the RAM than the last design IMO. On the last one, each set of four memory slots was on a small removable card. Now you have to remove the whole thing with two HUGE heat sinks attached. ]]>Mar 18th 2009 3:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/Mar 14th 2009 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/Mar 14th 2009 1:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
Nevermind, Denny's doesn't clean their silverware.]]>Mar 14th 2009 1:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/Mar 14th 2009 1:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
I do 3D work and I would hate to all day on them mouse and keyboards. I take my Logitech Wave keyboard and G5 mouse over them beautiful hardwares.
]]>Mar 14th 2009 1:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
The MacPro I use at work is silent and fast, although a little RAM starved at the moment...]]>Mar 14th 2009 1:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/Mar 14th 2009 2:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/Mar 14th 2009 3:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/Mar 14th 2009 3:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/Mar 14th 2009 3:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/Mar 14th 2009 5:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/I know you can use PC keyboards and mouse on a Macs. But I was taking about Apple's approach to design. Apple design = 75% design 25% ergonomic

Beside Apple hardware is too restrictive for my 3D need. I don't get to choose the video card l want. Rather, Apple choose it for you. l feel sorry for people who has to rely on what Apple release. I mean, these so called workstation doesn't even offer professional quadro cards. Apple has there people by their balls.]]>Mar 14th 2009 6:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
"Beside Apple hardware is too restrictive for my 3D need. I don't get to choose the video card l want. Rather, Apple choose it for you. l feel sorry for people who has to rely on what Apple release. I mean, these so called workstation doesn't even offer professional quadro cards. Apple has there people by their balls."

I mean, these so called 3D people doesn't have knowledge of english.]]>Mar 15th 2009 11:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/]]>Mar 14th 2009 1:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
Cue the "don't call me Shirley" jokes...]]>Mar 14th 2009 1:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
Of course you serviced Dell/Gateway 5-10 times more than Mac's....Mac probably still had ]]>Mar 14th 2009 2:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/BTW you posted in the wrong thread. ]]>Mar 14th 2009 2:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
OK I will bite.... so you think your computer can hang with the Mac Pro, huh?

Try to beat a score of 23126 on the Cinebench R10 multi-core rendering test (scored on my 2008 Mac Pro... not one of these new machines) :

http://www.maxon.de/pages/download/cinebench_e.html

Even an overclocked 4GHz Quad core cannot come close to a Mac Pro with 8 Xeon cores chewing away at something. For professonals who need the incredible power of an 8 core Xeon workstation, there is really nothing out there better for the money than the Mac Pro.

Which brings me to MY challenge. Try building and equivalent Xeon workstation with the same processors and same features as the Mac Pro for less. It cant be done... I looked hard at my options when I was buying, and Apple is a good 1,500 dollars LESS than their competition! Even if you build one yourself!

Those Xeon quadcores in the Mac Pro are 1000 dollars EACH on newegg so 2,000 dollars just for the processors alone! Hmmm, these new Mac Pros are seeming like a deal now for a lot of people, I bet. At least for those who NEED this kind of power, anyway. For gamers or websurfers, this machine is silly. But for 3D, video, scientific applications, and anything else heavily multithreade... or for someone who runs quite a few programs at the same time, this machine is amazing.

This absolutely insane computing power is why I... as a PC user... bought a Mac Pro, and it has been the best PC I have ever owned, by far.




]]>Mar 15th 2009 1:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/
sure, it's nice to look at, and i'm sure it's plenty fast, but if i'm paying top dollar, i want to be involved in the design and build process ]]>Mar 14th 2009 1:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/Mar 14th 2009 1:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/I'm willing to bet that 75% of the people who moan about the bad specs of Macs don't have PCs of those specs.]]>Mar 14th 2009 1:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/Mar 14th 2009 1:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/14/apple-nehalem-based-mac-pro-unboxing-and-hands-on/Mar 14th 2009 1:47PM