http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/]]>Mar 19th 2009 8:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/Mar 19th 2009 8:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
Mama-miya!]]>Mar 19th 2009 10:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/800 ISO? I mean, I can see there might be _some_ value there, but it's not like there's a lot of demand for low-light MF cameras, so it's probably not worth even the small amount of R&D it would take to get 1600 in there. This will probably change if MF starts to become a more consumer-oriented product that people will drag to parties, but until then there's just no reason.]]>Mar 19th 2009 11:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/Miyamama!]]>May 12th 2009 9:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/May 13th 2009 12:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
I'm sure it can take some fantastic images, but the closest I'll ever get is seeing the images in a magazine somewhere.]]>Mar 19th 2009 8:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
Agreed, while this is a medium format camera, those ISO settings are a turn-off.]]>Mar 19th 2009 8:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
Negative voted for being a complete douche!]]>Mar 19th 2009 9:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/Mar 19th 2009 11:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/Mar 19th 2009 11:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
Go spec out any other digital back and see how many you find that reach over 800 ISO.then ask a pro photographer how often they shoot with a medium format back and how often they shoot above 200 ISO.

You don't take a medium format back in low light situations. It's mainly a studio/ on location setup and at ALL TIMES the shooter will have access to more lighting equipment then you can imagine.

Me, I'd prefer the back on a monorail camera. But then again, I shoot for art sake.]]>Mar 19th 2009 9:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/Mar 19th 2009 10:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/Mar 19th 2009 10:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
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The ISO is even pretty high for MF Backs... it usally goes from 100-400 ... at least those i worked with. The market aint so big that it makes sense to start an extreme ISO race like in the normal SLR maket, most of the photographers with MF Cameras use some kind of flash even outdoors.
]]>Mar 19th 2009 9:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/Mar 19th 2009 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/Mar 19th 2009 11:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/Mar 19th 2009 9:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/TV is 540 scan lines, or 480p then you have 720p and 1080p, which are all the vertical amount of pixels, compared to a normal 6mp camera which is about 2550 pixels high? I think...?]]>Mar 19th 2009 10:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
Using low ISO film (25-50) you can probably get the equivalent of about 20MP but in general, in terms of pixels and noise, digital wins hands down. The advantage that film still holds is dynamic range.]]>Mar 19th 2009 9:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
Bear in mind it is also much cheaper to get that sort of quality. Medium format film cameras are very inexpensive these days. A full set up could be had for about $2,000. Add in a good scanner like a Nikon Coolscan 9000 for about $4,000 and you're getting similar resolution images to a $40,000 digital medium format setup.]]>Mar 19th 2009 1:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
LOL ]]>Mar 19th 2009 1:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/Mar 19th 2009 9:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
So, 20MP eh? As you've probably gathered I know zilcho about photography :), I was just curious.]]>Mar 19th 2009 10:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/Mar 19th 2009 10:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
That's at least $3000 of extra lens.]]>Mar 19th 2009 10:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/]]>Mar 19th 2009 10:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/p65-plus-field.shtml]]>Mar 19th 2009 10:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
I have had a P30 for almost 3 years, and I shoot fashion, so I beg to differ.]]>Mar 19th 2009 10:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
What do you beg to differ?

The fact that it's not as versatile as a P65+, P45+, or P22+ is true. Put your P30+ on a view camera. It's not going to work properly, trust me.

I've also used a P30+. I know how and what the back is designed to.

As for using it for fashion, are you friggin serious???

Portraits+textiles= FASHION


OMGROTFLBBQ FAIL! ]]>Mar 19th 2009 2:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
maybe I didn't express myself properly. I beg to differ that the P30 is not as versatile as the other backs you mentioned. What the heck is a P22? I don't know, but the P30 can do anything that the P21, 45, and 65 can do, in any climate, anywhere. Aside from the number of MP, any of those back with Mamiya mount will work identically on my camera. The P30 also has higher MP than the P21, and equal pixel size to the 45.

How do you define versatile? and not being your choice as the back to use on a view camera does not make something not versatile.]]>Mar 19th 2009 5:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
Medium format film scanned at LOW resolution gets close to 100 MP. Beyond that the file sizes get unwieldy.
Even relatively tiny 35mm film at higher ISO's can still hold 20-25 MP of data.

Film simply holds a LOT more data than any digital back can deliver.
Dynamic range is also much better, usually by two to three orders of magnitude.
Still a pain in the a** to use though....]]>Mar 19th 2009 10:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_magnitude

Not. A. Chance.]]>Mar 19th 2009 11:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
Film has one to two orders of magnitude better range than CCD's. Period. Try to Wiki that. It's there too.

One order of magnitude = 3 stops, but if you were really photographers you'd know that and would have kept your mouths shut.]]>Mar 19th 2009 3:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
Take the iPhone for instance, I'm damn sure that it takes better pictures than Sony's 12MP Idou.]]>Mar 19th 2009 10:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
Its not about megapixels, its about pixel density. This actually has one of the LOWEST densities you will find, as the sensor size is huge. This is the antithesis of the megapixel wars.]]>Mar 19th 2009 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/Mar 19th 2009 11:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
Nice parroting of memes YOU don't fully understand...
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These camera are specific tools for high end studio/fashion/textile/landscape work. They are not really for taking snap shots of your kid's 6th grade dramatic debut.

@ bannedmonkey. Yes, you've got it exactly right. Yawn on the armchair critics who try to wax techno-philosophic on topics that are beyond their understanding.

"This camera is soooo overdone, dude. My Holga duct-taped to my iPhone can tweak out way more retro-looking, instant-artistic shots. I can't believe anyone would lower themselves to use this overly capitalistic piece of garbage. I bet it doesn't even come with a southern hemisphere collective-made hemp carrying case."]]>Mar 19th 2009 11:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/Mar 19th 2009 10:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
Many pros would have to seriously consider what this camera is offering them over say the D3x (much cheaper), Sony Alpha (much much much cheaper) etc. For the majority of paid work, and I say the majority- there are always exceptions, there's just not that much in it anymore.]]>Mar 19th 2009 12:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
35mm/crop-sensor DSLRs are mainly about portability. Medium/large format is about quality. There is some slight overlap from time to time, but these cameras are not marketed towards the same type of photographers.]]>Mar 19th 2009 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
-photographer with BFA working on MFA]]>Mar 19th 2009 1:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
Epic Fail.

Next camera, please.
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Please ban the words "Epic" and "Fail" from your site.

Thanks.]]>Mar 19th 2009 5:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/Mar 19th 2009 9:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/Mar 19th 2009 9:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/Mar 19th 2009 11:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/19/mamiya-announces-dl33-for-those-who-need-more-than-28-megapixels/
Light intensity, like ALOT of things can be measured on a logarithmic scale. It simply depends on how you want data to b represented. That does not make it inherently logarithmic.

Photographers use Stops to compare light levels and exposure, which is based on powers of 2. One stop greater = twice as much light. One stop less = half as much. Simple.

3 stops = 8 times the light < One order of magnitude. I didn't have to wiki that. I posted the link for your understanding, not mine. Wikis can be written by anyone and are not an authority for information, which is why I read the article before linking it.

I suspect that your inability to cite what you claim is proving my point: You don't have a hot clue of what you are talking about. This is fairly simple mathematics. As I said 2^3 (the three stops you are referring to) = 8 < 10 (power base used to measure a single order of magnitude). Stop making shit up.]]>Mar 19th 2009 7:46PM