http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/Mar 20th 2009 12:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/Mar 20th 2009 1:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/
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I haven't seen the SDK firsthand, but how I understand it all the development is being done in Javascript and HTML/CSS. If that is the case, I don't see how anyone will be able to implement any real 3D gaming on the device. Javascript + OpenGL bindings? Custom graphics library for javascript? I can't see any solution like that working very well at all.. ]]>Mar 20th 2009 4:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/
Well, PALM's game problem has been clear to me for a couple months now, but a spokesperson for PALM commented that they had a solution for games, and I want to give them the benefit of the doubt, but the odds are stacked against them.

PALM has tried to follow Apple's lead in other areas and failed. Remember those PALM branded stores? No? Yeah, they didn't do so hot. I am very skeptical that they will make this work, but who knows, they may be able to pull something off. I mean, the Pre does have Flash, so maybe they'll have Flash games.

On second thought, Flash games suck too. PALM IS DOOMED!!!

]]>Mar 20th 2009 5:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/
The Pre was designed to show off Palm's capabilities if they can get some company to buy them out. I think that Dell would be a likely choice. I think they'd love to dump WinMo-powered products and run webOS. Microsoft really should buy Palm out, so they can get rid of some of the competition that threatens WinMo.]]>Mar 21st 2009 8:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/
Now.]]>Mar 20th 2009 12:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/Mar 20th 2009 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/
I am so effen pissed that I didn't buy Palm back in December like I had considered.]]>Mar 20th 2009 2:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/
Done. Finito.

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Also, no. Some people want the seamless online integration, the innovation, the hardware keyboard.

Horses for courses.]]>Mar 20th 2009 12:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/
END IT NOW, PLEASE.]]>Mar 20th 2009 12:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/
Apple seems to have learned that lesson when they catered to games so well with the iPhone. This peer-to-peer function is going to be a boon to that market, especially since there are enough iPhones and iPod touches for it to be feasible.

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The next month came and the same thing happened. Whatever the customer service rep did in India, didn't get translated to the home office. After 3 months of this, I just switched to AT&T and got an iPhone. Luckily, the second version was coming out about then. I couldn't be happier now. Of course, copy and paste would be nice.

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http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=S

Sprint has some nice cell plans though, so maybe they'll pull out of this mess. I don't think people are looking for expensive plans in this economy. It would be nice if you could get an iPhone with just a data plan. Maybe then I could afford one. I'm looking at the iPod touch right now. Might buy it and use Fring on the Wi-Fi network at work.

I've been sitting on the fence for months though. My MacBook Pro meets most of my needs right now.

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I wouldn't count Palm down yet just because the iPhone is the current darling. The iPhone has gotten a lot of the trendy masses due to flashy games and lots of ads but those of us who have real work to do have done fine devices that don't require us to give up the key functionality we have had for years.

There will always be a large group of people who were fine with their RAZRs and now have moved on to the iPhone because it offers more than they had with their dumbphones and is the current "it" device. That market is separate from the one made of people who need actual keyboards, actual multitasking, actual tethering, actual Exchange sync, and all those other things we've had forever and Apple has just now deigned to offer very recently.

Let the kids have their toys and let the grownups get our work done.]]>Mar 20th 2009 2:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/
No matter how much the iPhone improves, a lot of people still just won't like it.]]>Mar 20th 2009 2:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/
You're just as much of a troll. ]]>Mar 20th 2009 3:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/
Pay him no mind. He's just playa hatin'


]]>Mar 20th 2009 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/
nope that's not it cause i can tell 99.9% of the people here want you to go away. that other 0.1% are just your other usernames.]]>Mar 20th 2009 11:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/iPhone forever. ]]>Mar 27th 2009 6:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/Maybe if you would of had a real keyboard you would of typed faster and actually been first?
Or maybe the lack of multitasking didnt allow you to be first?
or or or you havnt paid your $10 for your iPod touch and haven't added the new thing that apple just innovated called copy,cut and paste, and you woulda been able to copy the sentence and pasted it on every new engadget post?
Which one was it that let you to your astronomical fail?]]>Mar 20th 2009 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/Mar 20th 2009 12:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/
They also mentioned that NEITHER the hardware nor software of the Pre was complete, nullifying the rumors that production has begun.

]]>Mar 20th 2009 12:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/ Pre (with the new webOS) is on target for its release date in the "second quarter."

The fiscal second quarter that ends on March 31st? Or literally the 2nd quarter of the year, June 30th?]]>Mar 20th 2009 1:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/
They ALSO said NEITHER the hardware nor the software is complete yet, thus nullifying those rumors about the Pre being in production already.
]]>Mar 20th 2009 1:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/
never make ANY assumptions based on Palm's stock price movement.
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while i see the importance of being the first out, the fact that their phone is going to be on par, if not better in some regards, than the iphone, AND is in its first generation, gives Palm a little leeway.

some points of concern:
-pricepoint
-will they continue to enhance/refine (similar to how apple has worked with the iphone OS)
-sprint

the fact is that it is not simply make or break with the PRE, they are also pushing there new OS, which in the long run, across multiple phones, could be a very serious contender.]]>Mar 20th 2009 1:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/
The new 32gb iPhone will drop right on top of it. Palm is finished.]]>Mar 20th 2009 1:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/
WebOS seems pretty cool, but since the applications are basically JavaScript, HTML and CSS based, I wonder how they plan to (if they even do) create full 3D motion games.

Can I, as a developer, write an application using Java or C for the Pre? If not I think this is going to be a bit of a problem in competing with the iPhone. Like it or hate it, You can do a lot more in Objective C than you can in JavaScript and HTML.

Not bashing, this is my understanding of how Pre apps will be created. If I'm wrong please educate me.]]>Mar 20th 2009 1:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.chromeexperiments.com/
]]>Mar 20th 2009 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/ ...Can I, as a developer, write an application using Java or C for the Pre?...

No, unless you are one of the very special companies that Palm has mentioned.

BTW, the SDK is not going to be released to the general developer population until well after the Pre is released. So even if you WANT to write in exposed-to-all HTML/Javascript you will not be able to.
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One more quarter and it'll be 2 years without profit.]]>Mar 20th 2009 1:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/Did my time, took my chances
Went the distance, now I'm back on my feet
Just a man and his will to survive ....

Chorus:
It's the eye of the tiger, it's the cream of the fight
Risin' up to the challenge of our rival (Iphone 3.0)
And the last known survivor stalks his prey in the night
And he's watchin' us all in the eye of the tiger ]]>Mar 20th 2009 1:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/Mar 20th 2009 2:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/Mar 20th 2009 1:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/
I also fail to understand why they would lock a device as remarkable as the Pre, which thy are -CLEARLY- positioning as an iPhone killer, to a single carrier. And a carrier, mind you, that seems to be having problems of its own. I guess that the Verizon Wireless Bridge and Iron Works has been burned too many times by Palm and is now so deeply entrenched with the Storm media blitz that maybe they took a pass on the Pre?

Too bad, too--I would've loved to see the Pre with a Verizon logo on it. It would certainly have given my Curve a run for its money...]]>Mar 20th 2009 1:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/Mar 20th 2009 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/http://www.engadget.com/2009/03/20/palm-posts-net-loss-of-95-million-for-q3-reaffirms-that-pre-is/ ...I also fail to understand why they would lock a device as remarkable as the Pre, which thy
> are -CLEARLY- positioning as an iPhone killer, to a single carrier...

One must remember that the previous TWO high-end phones that came out of Palm - the Treo 800 and the Treo Pro - failed to get into carriers (at least the major US ones). They could NOT risk that with the Pre.

Plus they're planning on selling extra-cost web-based services to Pre owners - I read "web-based services" as "Sprint-resident servers", BTW.
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