http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/ Engadget Comments for Are these the companies inside the next iPhone? http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 6:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 9:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/
And 3.2 MP?? It took them 2 years to update from an already outdated 2 MP camera to a 3.2?]]>Apr 14th 2009 7:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 7:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 7:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 8:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Oh, you mean like what the original Zune did to the iPod?

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That said, I'm a Palm Pre fanboy :) I will keep my eye on Apple but I much prefer the Pre. I also like the Nokia N97 and the Omnia HD. All good phones, too bad none are available :(]]>Apr 14th 2009 9:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/
Specs wise, the even as of yet unannounced iPhone is already outdated compared to what's currently available on the market.

3.2 MP = outdated when 5 - 8+ MP cameras of higher quality are already available for other phones
128 MB of RAM = outdated when many devices ship with 256+ MB of RAM (this helps SIGNIFICANTLY when multi-tasking)
3.2" screen = outdated when other devices already pack larger screens (such as the 3.8" Touch HD)
480x320 res = outdated when we have VGA and WVGA screens out there that do 2-3 times that resolution

Yes, it's already outdated before it even hits the market, and that processor is packing isn't helping it much either.]]>Apr 14th 2009 10:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/
3.2mp camera..are you kidding? 5mp is the minimum on new smartphones. I have a 2 year old SE P1i which boasts a 3.2mp cam. But, its Apple...they won't upgrade the camera so soon (2 years ain't too much for them). People should be satisfied that they are putting video features in 3.0. With a camera upgrade...we are asking too much. :)]]>Apr 14th 2009 10:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 11:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 11:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/
"3.2 MP = outdated when 5 - 8+ MP cameras of higher quality are already available for other phones".

I chop my head off if you can find a camera phone that can produce real (>1) mega pixels images. Phone cameras are still a joke, folks. High Quality? LoL

]]>Apr 14th 2009 11:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/To kill iPhone n start selling 24 million zunephones in 2 years like iPhone.,.
Winmo fanboys would be celebrating for years to come.]]>Apr 14th 2009 11:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/]]>Apr 14th 2009 4:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/
Then again, if this server requires some form of payment to be able to use it - and the cynic in me says it'll be tied into MobileMe on launch - then I'll be looking elsewhere anyway. Palm, Nokia, RIM, Google - I'm looking at you.]]>Apr 15th 2009 7:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 6:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 7:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 7:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 5:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/
Apple is plodding along doing what it does quite well, introducing new ideas and cool stuff while other manufacturers play catch up by largely imitating Apple. REALLY imitating Apple.

Nothing that Apple is about to introduce was derived from any fear of the Pre - it was ALL decided on well before the Pre was vaguely introduced in January (unless you folks think the Apple guys are even better than they REALLY are and can go from vague impressions to finished Product competing product in less than 6 months!).
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Copy & Paste?

MMS?

Exactly what new ideas has Apple put into the iPhone anyway?

Does anyone know?]]>Apr 14th 2009 8:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/
If this list is true then Apple will really have changed nothing in two years except for an OS update that will add MMS and copy&paste? LOL.

Yea, I know about the app store, but soon enough that will be something everyone will have (WinMO phones already had "apps" but normal people just called them "programs"). ]]>Apr 14th 2009 9:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=3980

and their superiority has really helped them too..

Let's see what you get when you spend hundreds of millions of dollars on attacking Microsoft, coupled with douche bags like you oozing man paste every time any new trinket is released by lord jobs and his crew of i-mbeciles. What does this add up to? Ah, a reduction in sales unparalleled. a whopping -42% retail year-on-year on desktop revenue. Read the what the apple homeboys at encrapet won't write about..

-16.7% retail year-on-year mac unit growth (PC numbers +22.0%)
-36.4% retail year-on-year desktop unit growth (PC numbers -10.0%)
-7.5% retail year-on-year notebook unit growth (PC numbers +36.0%)
-42.5% retail year-on-year on desktop revenue growth (PC numbers +1.4.0%)
-14.3% retail year-on-year on notebook revenue growth (PC numbers +6.1%)

Why is this happening?
Because their products are overpriced, over hyped garbage...
and you have to turn into a douche bad, dick head to own one.
People, smart consumers do see through the veil of horse shit, only small minded twits fall for the market hype, thankfully, these numbers prove they're the very small, albeit, loud minority..
]]>Apr 14th 2009 10:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/I liked his reply so much I thought I'd share it here.. :)

I asked you to stick to the topic and if you would post fixes you helped with on Apple computers.

False premises:
1. Apple has some kind of superior quality control.

Truth: Apple computers are made on the same assembly lines of Quanta/Compal et al as the Windows machines are made on. Notice I did not say PCs, because Apple machines are Intel PCs now too. Apple manufactures nothing. If you take offense to that, neither does Dell/HP/et al. If they are made on the same lines, where is the superior quality? Since they use the same components, but hide them, so they can limit the hardware they have to be compatible with, I would think that driver issues would be reduced, along with limiting upgrade capability since they write only for their own machines.

Oops, sorry, I forgot they write for Windows machines too. Quicktime, and a browser, and a few other programs that have consistently been poorly written and caused vulnerabilities. I have five years of links to QT vulnerabilities.

2. Apple machines cannot be infected or compromised.

Truth: Both have been done. I have the links and so do you, don't you? Now that they have been compromised the issue is some pipe dream that there are no ODMs (the real manufacturers, and Apple is not alone the Windows people hide that fact too,) Apple has some quality that the Windows units made on the same assembly lines don't? OK, let's imagine a guy at Compal named Soo works on the assembly line at Compal. One week he makes Windows units for several
manufacturers, the next week he makes Apple computers. Do you honestly think he cares which manufacturer he is assembling? He just does his job to the best of his ability for all the computers that come down his line.

3. Apple writes better software.

Truth: Linux and derivatives have been around for a long time. Security by obscurity (read market share) has been proven. Apple has as many, if not more security updates as Windows. The only difference is that they monthly/bi monthly have to rewrite their QT for windows and safari for Windows (as well as their QT and Safari for macs.) How many security updates for MS office for macs do you see monthly?

4. Apple has an unlimited pocket and will innovate and prevail.

Truth: This article was about revenues year by year. It seems that there are a lot of answers about, "well what about this," like the iPhone. Yah, AT&T which is failing to have 3g operable for anybody in quantity. Like I said before, AIG had a lot more money, and see where they are now.

I truly feel for ya. And your Apple friends. For a fancy case you fork it out. I can send you links to computer cases that can be used for Apple and Windows boxes that are from the lit up and clear sided cases to sleek designs like apple for a hundred bucks and most for much less.

Do you honestly think a case makes the case? Posted by: derekgore]]>Apr 14th 2009 10:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/
Those growth numbers you are referring to probably speak more to the growth of the netbook market. I assume computers sales in general are taking a hit from the current economics, so potential buyers are moving towards cheap netbooks. And since Apple does not have an answer for that market yet, they're suffering the consequences.

It's not due to over-hype, it's not due to a veil of bullshit, it's not because suddenly people hate Apple, it's just that nobody is buying computers and if they are, they want the cheapest one available.

As for your reposting of another comment:
It seems like the argument derekgore presents is that when it comes to internals (hardware and software) Macs and PCs pretty much are on the same level. Same components, same manufacturing lines, same amount of security patches. No questions there, no links needed.

So it boils down to design, which is agreed that Apple puts an emphasis on this department. The question is, when did good design become a negative and isn't there value to good design? ]]>Apr 14th 2009 12:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/
That's an interesting theory, but, this listing doesn't include Netbooks. That's an entirely new/different category. The author of this post specifically didn't include Netbooks because of the fact you stated, apple doesn't produce them, and there isn't sufficient data year over year to track a trend.

And to answer your question; no, I don't think design is worth the premium that apple puts on it, just as I don't think the new adamo is worth what's being asked for it. Firstly, design is subjective and for me, apple don't design the most attractive hardware. Secondly, the quest for thinness by sacrificing functionality, is poor design in my books. The fact that the mba comes with one USB port and no optical drive is ridiculous. Convenience, power, durability and is it customizable is what I look for in anything I purchase. When the prescribed model forces me to unplug a device to plug another in, I'm being inconvenienced. When the product in question is also more expensive, I want MORE convenience, not LESS..

apple lately have offered LESS for MORE.. that's the reason they're getting slammed in the market place... Remember, those stats are for US only, where apple have their best performance.. In the world market, the numbers are even worse, 50% worse.

world wide market share for apple 3.83%

http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-weekly-200903-200912

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It's ammusing to see how 'wrabbit,' 'Look_Around_You' and a bunch more really go out of their way and try to make sorry attempts at discrediting Apple for the major shifts in the smart phone market they started with the iPhone. You think Apple was doing nothing till Palm's announcement of the Pre and all of a sudden rushed out to, as you say, "catch up" haha. Please. One day, if you ever get a job in a high tech industry you may perhaps come to understand things just don't work that way. They take much much longer.

'rhodesy22' and 'Freakin Ijit' are totally right. And when iPhone 3.0 launches we'll then see the full breadth of new capabilities the highly integrated software AND hardware will do together. Only then will we be able to make good comparisons VS the Pre.]]>Apr 14th 2009 7:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/
You think you're being clever because you're quoting from ZDNet? LOL
No wonder your opinions are so innocently twisted. ZDnet is one of the largest bastions of sensationalist anti-Apple rhetoric publishers in the web. Those people get paid by the click so their entire business thrives around controversy and instigating flame wars. Of journalists they have nothing and rightfully do not deserve that tittle. Try reading from a real and professional site, like Ars Technica or another respectable site.

Wake up buddy.]]>Apr 14th 2009 7:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/
"Security by obscurity (read market share) has been proven."

and right there you fail completely. It is well known, and has been shown, more than once, that security via obscurity is a myth. As of 2009 this notion is only trotted out by the most die-hard, card-carrying, reality-rejecting iHaters. If it were true, then Macs would have had 7% of viruses when they had 7% market share, 8% when they had 8%, 9% when they had 9%, and so on.

They did not. Not even close. Not even with super-powerful iHater rose-tinted glasses on.

And what about these last 18 months? The Mac market share has not risen at all significantly, yet there have been dozens of exploits revealed in OSX, and a few actual in-the-wild viruses released, far more than in the entire previous decade for Pete's sake!

How can you claim that market share and security are linked, when so obviously, they are not? Not in either direction, no matter how you look at it! Do you actually understand this topic at all?]]>Apr 14th 2009 8:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 7:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/
By the way - if you are a snob, which is a form of an elitist, the comments section here on Engadget would lead me to believe you use nothing but Apple products?

Confusing...]]>Apr 14th 2009 9:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/i happen to be one of them, and hearing '3.1mp' and 'new iphone' in the same sentence - i'm so there.]]>Apr 14th 2009 4:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 7:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 7:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2008/04/28/how-apples-pa-semi-acquisition-fits-into-its-chip-history/]]>Apr 14th 2009 8:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 7:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 8:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/
Plus my screen isnt much smaller then the iphones. Its also a bigger resolution then the iphones. ]]>Apr 14th 2009 8:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/
Where will the fanboism boldly go next? Do we get to know the names of all those 14 year old chinese girls who make the damn things? ]]>Apr 14th 2009 7:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 7:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 11:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/
To answer your question: YES. This is a gadget site after all. If you don't like gadgets, and/or do not like the iPhone, why are you reading this page?]]>Apr 14th 2009 8:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 7:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 8:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 8:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 8:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/14/are-these-the-companies-inside-the-next-iphone/Apr 14th 2009 8:22AM