iriver P7 unboxing and review
We've been getting friendly with iriver's latest touchscreen masterpiece over the past few days, and have a few impressions to share. In many ways, though, the P7 is exactly what the pictures and spec sheet make it out to be: great design, great specs, few surprises, and little in the way of "interesting" functionality. While the Apples and Microsofts of the world keep on merging the world of PMPs with PDAs with phones, iriver seems content here to build a "mere" media player and leave it at that. Read our full impressions after the break.
Hardware
We're torn. On one hand, iriver's stark, minimal design prowess is at its height here. No needless curves, wasted buttons or confusing bits, just a simple slab of recycling-friendly metal, with plastic on the ends and a screen in the middle. At the same time, the player seems needlessly thick. We appreciate a good bit of battery life (iriver claims 7 hours of video playback) and 4.3-inches of screen real estate, but we've seen it done thinner, and, combined with the sharp metal corners on this thing, we aren't about to slip this into a jeans pocket.
The metal has a cold, rough quality to it -- it looks exactly like the aluminum of a last-gen MacBook Pro, but feels almost like cardboard to the touch. It's not unpleasant, just odd, and it at least adds a sense of monolith-type mystique to the player.
There's a stylus included for operating the resistive touchscreen, but we really had little trouble tapping the uniformly large interface elements with our fingers -- which is good news, since there's no convenient place to slip the stylus when it's out of use, it's meant to screw into a cap that can looped onto one end of the player, and we'd rather not.
On the top there are volume buttons flush with the surface, that click when pressed, and a menu button denoted by a single small bump. Other than the power button on the top left and a hold switch on the right side, the player is controlled entirely by touch -- a large improvement over the confusing dual (and dueling) interfaces of the iriver SPINN.
There's a small external speaker, a mic, a microSD slot and a proprietary USB plug. The included earbuds are, like with most players, pretty much worthless, quite uncomfortable, and seem designed for inexplicably large ears. The 4.3-inch 480 x 272 LCD screen is great, and for any video that we could actually get to play on it we were very pleased with the colors, brightness and smooth action.
Software
iriver calls the interface "like a magazine," and it's not hard to see why. The home screen has an almost editorial layout, with instant access to all of the player's main functions. It shows album art and the song title for the currently playing music, the most recent picture viewed, a text snippet from the most recent text viewed and so forth. Tapping any of those items sends you straight to it (even the clock takes you to a great world clock), and a back button usually sends you to the main menu for that category (photo albums, playlists, so forth). It's a novel and fun approach to an interface, and while iriver isn't packing in extensive functionality or connected information, it's a far cry from surfing through a boring menu tree with a d-pad.
Most functions are responsive and intuitive, with cross-fades between screens and large, obvious buttons to take you where you need to go. Unfortunately, at times the player seems to forget itself, and requires a second tap to make a function happen. It also hard-froze on us once, and wouldn't reset with a press from the power button -- we had to hard reset the whole player with a paper clip. Hopefully a firmware update from iriver can iron out those kinks in the near future.
Unfortunately, the biggest function we were looking forward to was the player's biggest disappointment. The P7 is supposed to have what iriver calls a "built-in media converter," which is supposed to transcode files on the go and let us watch whatever media we damn well please. But it doesn't. At least as far as we could perceive, the player has a very narrow level of codec support (MPEG, DivX, RM, RMVB and H.264 are quoted), and hardly strays from it. We tried all sorts of files on it, from torrented videos to pure MPEG-4 we shot ourselves, and got "File Format Error!" alerts on almost all of it. A torrented .avi played fine but without audio, and we got a .mp4 video podcast to play perfectly, but otherwise we were completely out of luck with our own media. It also didn't recognize the Audible Audio file we loaded onto it, which is inconvenient.
We're not expecting iriver to be magical and support every codec on the planet, but there is the unavoidable truth that without some sort of convenient method for regular people to get regular content onto the player (like a movie they shot of their kids), it's not going to be a roaring success. The included Windows client software is a tragedy of interface and doesn't support video for some unapparent reason, while the Windows Media Player support seemed promising until Windows Media Player failed to sync anything into the right place. And then crashed.
Wrap-up
Overall, we'd be happy to grab the P7 for a long flight and watch a full-length movie on it, but the limitations of media management and codec support mean it'd be a bit of an "event" to prep a movie for the player -- and a chore to use the player on a regular basis. There's little to fault the player in all of this, but it's a reality of the way we use a PMP these days, and something iriver seems to be addressing by increasing functionality in upcoming players such as the WiFi-equipped P35. Still, there's the problem of proper desktop-side software to make using a PMP a truly convenient and useful experience -- power users won't have much trouble, but it's a bit of a deal breaker for the rest of us mere mortals.
Hardware

The metal has a cold, rough quality to it -- it looks exactly like the aluminum of a last-gen MacBook Pro, but feels almost like cardboard to the touch. It's not unpleasant, just odd, and it at least adds a sense of monolith-type mystique to the player.

On the top there are volume buttons flush with the surface, that click when pressed, and a menu button denoted by a single small bump. Other than the power button on the top left and a hold switch on the right side, the player is controlled entirely by touch -- a large improvement over the confusing dual (and dueling) interfaces of the iriver SPINN.
There's a small external speaker, a mic, a microSD slot and a proprietary USB plug. The included earbuds are, like with most players, pretty much worthless, quite uncomfortable, and seem designed for inexplicably large ears. The 4.3-inch 480 x 272 LCD screen is great, and for any video that we could actually get to play on it we were very pleased with the colors, brightness and smooth action.
Software

Most functions are responsive and intuitive, with cross-fades between screens and large, obvious buttons to take you where you need to go. Unfortunately, at times the player seems to forget itself, and requires a second tap to make a function happen. It also hard-froze on us once, and wouldn't reset with a press from the power button -- we had to hard reset the whole player with a paper clip. Hopefully a firmware update from iriver can iron out those kinks in the near future.
Unfortunately, the biggest function we were looking forward to was the player's biggest disappointment. The P7 is supposed to have what iriver calls a "built-in media converter," which is supposed to transcode files on the go and let us watch whatever media we damn well please. But it doesn't. At least as far as we could perceive, the player has a very narrow level of codec support (MPEG, DivX, RM, RMVB and H.264 are quoted), and hardly strays from it. We tried all sorts of files on it, from torrented videos to pure MPEG-4 we shot ourselves, and got "File Format Error!" alerts on almost all of it. A torrented .avi played fine but without audio, and we got a .mp4 video podcast to play perfectly, but otherwise we were completely out of luck with our own media. It also didn't recognize the Audible Audio file we loaded onto it, which is inconvenient.
We're not expecting iriver to be magical and support every codec on the planet, but there is the unavoidable truth that without some sort of convenient method for regular people to get regular content onto the player (like a movie they shot of their kids), it's not going to be a roaring success. The included Windows client software is a tragedy of interface and doesn't support video for some unapparent reason, while the Windows Media Player support seemed promising until Windows Media Player failed to sync anything into the right place. And then crashed.
Wrap-up
Overall, we'd be happy to grab the P7 for a long flight and watch a full-length movie on it, but the limitations of media management and codec support mean it'd be a bit of an "event" to prep a movie for the player -- and a chore to use the player on a regular basis. There's little to fault the player in all of this, but it's a reality of the way we use a PMP these days, and something iriver seems to be addressing by increasing functionality in upcoming players such as the WiFi-equipped P35. Still, there's the problem of proper desktop-side software to make using a PMP a truly convenient and useful experience -- power users won't have much trouble, but it's a bit of a deal breaker for the rest of us mere mortals.





























Now THAT'S hot.
Iriver just really puts out some amazing stuff.
I think I may get both this an an Spinn, depending on what ZuneHD offers.
Seriously, it looks like any Garmin GPS unit.
@ Look_Around_You
May I suggest looking at the Cowon O2 pmp. I had my doubt at first from reading all the negative reviews regarding firmware but the latest update improve the touchscreen UI. It's a no hassle drag and drop, no conversion of most media you have on your pc. It also suport Apple lossless just in case you dare touch those.
why would you not touch Apple lossless?
@sua
because you don't own a device that can play them?
Android + Tegra = Profit + Fame
@From My Cube: From a price/utility ratio, yes, the Honda is better. Much better, probably an order of magnitude or more better than a Ferrari. In many other ways the Honda is better than a Ferarri. It costs less to maintain and insure, gets better gas mileage, has more cargo space.
You can't just say "is A better than B?" without some definition of "better". Did you mean better in terms of performance cost-no-object? Or better at getting you laid? Better at going 0-60 in the least amount of time? Better for learning how to drive in?
Microsoft whould use something like this ui for Windows Mobile.
http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15005
For the rest of us mere mortals we would prefer the iPod touch with OSX, responsive user experience, and of course iTunes. That is why the marketshare have spoken, that the iPod is the best DAP in the planet.
Have a fishstick...
Nothing makes a Mac fan happy unless it is a Mac.
no one will argue that the ipod has a pretty seemless experience from itunes to user experince, but just becuase that masses adopted the ipod does not mean they are the best available...
more people drive honda's than ferrari's...does that make honda's better?
[rant/]
dude! you actually listed iTunes as a PLUS?!? that thing is slow on my brand new Macbook Pro!!!!!! just shut up please... -.- (btw, a bigger market share does NOT mean a better product. and you precious little iPod touch sound 1/10000000 of a percent as good as my samsung p2? no. it can't. until you realize that not everyone likes the iPod touch, I command, er, request, your silence.)
[/rant]
Most sold DAP =/= Best DAP in the planet.
@ From My Cube.
could not have said it better!
Yeah we all know that, but this is engadget, home of the flaming anti-Apple nerds. Anything that comes out that even looks remotely usable that's not made by apple, these idiots will eat it up. Have fun with your stylus nerds.
@Look_Around_You
your comment doesn't make a bit of sense but for some reason I agree with you.
@My Cube: I agree.
moreover you seem to have forgottent that the ferrarri in your story (the iRiver) is like twice cheaper than the Honda (iPod touch)..
this seems to follow iRiver's idea of a PMP pretty well. seems quite nice actually. but I agree that WiFi would be a welcome addition...
Yeah - a touch screen that big in this day and age seems somewhat deprived of it's full potential without wifi. Hopefully the P35's (will include wifi, in case you missed that) price is not sky high, and the price keeps in-line with this player (16GB under $200 at Warehouse123).
Typical Engadget... if it's iriver, it's gotta be bad.
The only files I haven't gotten to play are .mkv's... plays every other torrented file i've thrown at it. The included iriver Plus 3 software does a great job and Media Monkey will sync right to the player as well. Also, not sure what the comment about a jeans pocket means, it fits just fine and the corners of the player don't interfere.
Would have been nice if the reviewer told us what types of files he tried to play that wouldn't work? Container, bitrate, etc....
Again, Typical....and disappointing but what do you expect from Engadget these days.
Actually, Matroska is a serious business container nowadays...
Why is that so many new gadgets are released with great hardware but crummy software? All they do is shoot themselves in the foot by racking up negative reviews only due to software, which they generally do get around to fixing later...
If this thing really could play all the different video codecs with great sub support, it'd be a hit. Why is that so difficult?
Seems to me the Cowon O2 is still the best player for natively playing different formats...
Yea, I loved the "it looks exactly like the aluminum of a last-gen MacBook Pro, but feels almost like cardboard to the touch" part. What a worthless comparison, I've never seen a last-gen MacBook Pro in person and I bet many haven't either.
You gotta squeeze an Apple product plug in there somewhere I guess.
iPod killer
Nice copy of Apple packaging.
Seriously?
You're going to complain about the packaging now?
For fuck's sake, it's a clear plastic box that opens.
"Jesus fucking shit, you mean it's a clear box that opens?! There must be some Apple infringement afoot. I mean, a clear box that opens. Only something so innovative and so inspirational as a clear box that opens could come from Apple and Apple alone."
Yup, that's pretty what I'm going to complain about.
Happens all the time in business. One company wants to leach off another company's success by, say...copying case materials/colors, copying icon styles, just having one button, having a certain size touch screen, etc... take your pick. I'm not going to sit here and try to convince you of that. For one, it seems blatantly obvious here and two, you seem pretty much set with your opinion and attitude.
Let me just say this. Remember those less than popular kids in high school who thought that they'd become more popular by hanging around and dressing like the cool kids. It's fine. Happens all the time. And I guess it's natural. Problem is is that it also happens to be rather sad and pathetic (IMHO). That's what's happening here.
If people are going to talk about stupidity of the masses (like many of you describing ppl who like Apple products), let's start there.
I love it!! I must have it a nerve. Double low rank status!!
Reactions, please!...or not.
well looks nice, not really sure its for me
im gonna stick with my netbook for my media
If this had wifi, and better sound quality I would be all over it.
480x272? Use of a stylus? Seems kinda backward for iRiver. Still a solid design though.
I gotta love that home screen or whatever it is. Oh so clean. The magazine idea is great, but it lacks a bit of pop.
@Invisiblemoose
It does play a myriad of codecs, that's the rub... Engadget in there ever decreasing wisdom leads you to believe it does not, but, they don't tell you what they did play or tried to play or the format of what failed.
If they would have actually listed the format support, you might be surprised. Here it is:
iriver P7
======
AVI, MP4, DAT, MPG, VOB, WMV, RM/RMVB, 3GP, FLV - Container
MPEG-1, MPEG-2, MPEG-4, Xvid, WMV 7,8,9, H.264 - Codec
Cowon O2
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AVI, MP4, DAT, MPG, WMV, RM/RMVB, MKV, OGM - Container
MPEG-1, MPEG-4, Dvix, Xvid, WMV 7,8,9, H.264, MJPEG
There are a couple of obvious differences, but other than those the codec support is very close. Both handle H.264 and Xvid which are extremely popular. The O2 has the advantage of playing the .MKV container which is cool.
not being able to play MKV (Video container) is a biggie, In Asia they like their anime and most better quality video rips are distributed in a mkv container format (MKV is also open source so there is no excuse).
No Divx, I'll bet that's the only codec Engadget tried...
I'd have been interested to hear about it's video playback, subtitle support, or sound quality... Guess I'll have to look elsewhere for a real review...
bottom line comment to silence all.
This coming from a neutral point of view
River basically blows in comparison to
iPod touch. The touch is Ferrari lamborghini
Of pmps at a Honda price. So u would be either
A complete uninformed or a straight out fool
To buy this over touch or Sony , this coming from a Sony
Fanboy. I hate apple but will give credit when credit is due.
I have no problem recognizing when I am wrong.
If the touch is so good why cant it play "any" of my video's, aah that right it only plays a very restricted list of file formats that no one uses for video on the web except mums and dads.
the Ipod Touch is an amaziing piece of plastic nobody will ever deny it.
Nevertheless it's not the Best PMP.
It's a good PMP, and average MID combined.
This might be the most awesome device to your taste but again it's your needs not everyone's need.
You definitely have to get rid of Apple's main idea :"everyone is the same and needs exactly the same things : what steeve offers."
Nice PMP you came up with iRiver and Damn cheap too !
You are the biggest idiot ever, and you are NOT a Sony fanboy. Also, you're an idiot, in case you forgot that part already.
I will say this, in order for this device to even have a remote chance of survival here in USA .
River must price it at half the cost of touch , so if priced over $115 will guaranteed fail.
American consumers are very smart and informed, I love competition but this is no competition. Trust me I root for the underdog.
You have got to be the worst person at argumenting I have ever seen. How is the Touch better than this if it's not even competing? They're two completely different players. Comparing this to the Cowon O2 is much more reasonable...
You don't root for the underdog, you root for whatever comes out of Steve Jobs' ass.
"American consumers are very smart and informed"
Lol?
This is a joke right ?
The USA participate for 99% of the spam all over the world, your news networks are among the most biased right after Russia North Korea and Iran, and you still use Internet explorer and buy MacPro !
(Ok you elected Obama that must count for something but wake up there is still a lot to do on the "smart and informed" side : start by destroying Fox News forever)
Start making sense bro'.
@Felix
Hahaha, could not have said better myself
It's a bit on the thick side for me, but seems otherwise functional. It looks like a tiny little Plasma television for my hand! It would be any dollhouse hobbyists first choice for a lilliputian entertainment center.
wow. this looks TERRIBLE. It's ugly, poorly designed, the UI looks clunky and it doesn't even have wifi. What is this 2003? F that, and especially if google tells the truth and the price is $350. You can get a first gen ipod 8GB for $150 damn dollars. Anyone that buys this is just doing it to spite Apple, and that's ridiculous.
You'd be better off buying one of those cheap $70 chinese pmps.
google's wrong... $170-200 is much more reasonable. But still it's not as good of a deal as the ipod.
oh and for anyone complaining about ipods video format compatibility, get a grip. On a reasonable computer it took me less than 5 minutes to convert an hour long 400 megabyte avi to mp4 via iSquint.
exactly. I use a different program, Handbrake, with which (on the newest version) virtually any video format can be used as a source for encoding into ipod video, including straight from DVD's.