http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 1:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/
And btw.:
This is stealing Apple's work.
They make Software. And they make their own computers to make that software run better.
And when you look at the DIRTY cheap price of the Software Apple takes, you see how your are given back a lot of that what you laid down for you computer.
100 for OSX. Flat. NO Ultimate edition.
79€ for iLife. Laughable.
Final Cut Express 199. A joke ...

And these guys just want to make money from the work of others.
They DID nothing for all they sell to you.
They take stock market hardware and take the OS others worked for.
The whole point of "uh, you buy a Mac OS license, so it must be legit" is bullshit.
The price of a 129 for OSX is not supposed to be a "free market" price.
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They are stealing Apple's work by... buying it from them? Just like other OEM's are stealing microsoft's work by buying copies of windows from them?

It's not stealing if you PAY FOR IT.]]>Apr 16th 2009 1:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/
tl;dr

BTW, they PAY for the license of OS X. How is that stealing?]]>Apr 16th 2009 1:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/
Stock shit?

Id rather have stock shit when it comes in the form of 2.33Ghz Quad Core CPU, 9400GT 512Mb, 1Tb HDD, 4Gb Ram for $930 instead of $1200 for 2.66Ghz Dual Core, 9400M(mobile = shit), 320Gb hdd and 2Gb of ram.]]>Apr 16th 2009 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 2:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/
They make the computers to sell and make money just as they make the OS to sell and make money. Just as MS makes hardware to make money to supplement making money on software. One is not dependant on the other. Be realistic - companies need competition for us all to win - not monopolies.
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The price apple puts on os x, 129$ takes into consideration that the user has an apple computer already running os x. So the new copy os x is an upgrade, not a complete new buy, or license... Kind of comparable to photoshop that is upgradable for 199$ but buying a complete new license is 699$. Apple doesn't really a have a choice if they want to keep the hardware closed then to work that way or don't get a much bigger market share by tomorrow. The development on os x probably costs load and one of the reason os x in nice is because it gets updated every year and a half.

Anyways, if apple was to make clones or sell licenses, I'd expect the price to be much higher than 129$ for non apple hardware. ]]>Apr 16th 2009 6:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/
TMM rightly suggests that Apple subsidizes the cost of the software it provides by means of charging what they do for the hardware. If someone comes in and uses the lower price of the software and then sells that software with lower priced hardware, they are damaging Apple's business model and ptentially placing future development of the software in jeapordy.

Apple could go about this with a change in pricing policy... if the software is going on Apple hardware, price is lower, and if the software is going on other hardware, price is ridiculously high.

But how and where can you uy complete retail packages of Apple OS X? Can I go and get OS X and install it on a home built computer? (Sincere question since I don't know).]]>Apr 16th 2009 11:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 1:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 1:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/
Just like I'd never want to run Windows on my workstation G5.

Just doesn't feel right.]]>Apr 16th 2009 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/
Do you even know what OEM stands for or what it means?]]>Apr 16th 2009 2:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/
And yes, its runs any software, in fact you can bet that (comparing product of the same price) this clone can kickass in performance. I saw a hackingtosh running noticeable quicker that one top-of-the-line Mac.

Apple hardware WAS top-notch but it was in the past, in the non-intel era. Now Apple hardware around the same that a Apple clone, the only difference is the Apple tax.

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Furthermore, I always picture the poster of such comments to be some greasy-skinned overweight coke-bottle-glasses nerd with a half-open tower in his mom's basement, sitting in filth.]]>Apr 16th 2009 2:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 17th 2009 12:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 1:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/
I just built a new hackintosh a couple weeks ago and the thing rocks! Q9400@3.2ghz, 8GB RAM, Geforce 9800GT, 500GB HD.

Everything runs great & no problems installing apps, no issues with software update, etc. I'm nervous about the impending 10.5.7 release so I backed up my disk last night just in case. ]]>Apr 16th 2009 1:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 3:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 3:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 1:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/> I don't see them surviving since the Dells of this world will then enter the market
No, if Psystar wins Apple will tightly control the sale of copies of OS X, and tie sales to the ownership of a Mac. Dell will not enter the market, there won't be any means for them to do so.]]>Apr 16th 2009 1:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 2:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/
It's draconian, but it would work.]]>Apr 16th 2009 3:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/
Won't stop hackintoshes, but it'll guarantee Psystar dies and Dell, et. al. can't load it on their hardware.]]>Apr 16th 2009 3:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 4:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 5:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/
My answer to you is that the EU would reject that argument in a heart beat (laughing loudly too, while delivering the opinion), especially now that Apple's using standard Intel processors and PC guts. Look how they stood up to MS on Explorer. ]]>Apr 16th 2009 8:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/
Works better when the OS is 4 MiB like it is for the Acorn machines, but it still works when it's 4 GiB, with how cheap flash is nowadays.]]>Apr 29th 2009 1:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 1:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 1:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/]]>Apr 16th 2009 2:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/
apple = overpriced ]]>Apr 17th 2009 10:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/
I think its ridiculous to call it stealing when a $130 license has been purchased. That is roughly the cost of windows home premium.

I do wonder if these psystar hackintoshes are really going to be good for the average user. Seems like even though they can update now, that they will run into trouble in the future. A geek like me isn't going to have problems finding out how to get everything working again with apple changes something. The average user will. I would think that anyone with the knowledge to keep these computers up and running would be better off building their own anyway.]]>Apr 16th 2009 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 2:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 2:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/
Bottom line, you get what you pay for, therefore the word "overpriced" does not apply, just like how when you pay more for a Mustang GT, you get a bigger engine. Also just FYI, Apple doesn't make any money on software. They make money on hardware. That's kind of the whole reason they're taking Psystar to court in the first place.]]>Apr 16th 2009 2:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/
He noted that the two weren't the same. The Zeon is different, but not in any way he cares about. And not to the tune of $1500]]>Apr 16th 2009 2:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/
Also, the i7 is a nehalem chip. The only difference between a single processor nehalam i7 and a single processor nehalem xeon is that the xeon supports ECC memory. ECC is slower than non ECC memory. It is slightly more stable, which is why i said that the xeon is a positive in a situation where one crash every few years could cost you thousands of dollars. For most people however (even power users), the the Xeon with its ECC memory is actually slower than the i7 with its non-ECC memory without any disadvantages.

What I'm saying is, don't just say "ITS A WORKSTATION PROCESSOR" without having any idea what it means and expecting to be right. Do some research first.]]>Apr 16th 2009 3:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/16/psystar-open-3-manages-to-ship-gets-unboxed-by-lucky-customer/Apr 16th 2009 3:03PM