http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/ Engadget Comments for ARM CEO hints at possible Windows 7 support for ARM processors http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 1st 2009 8:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 1st 2009 8:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 1st 2009 8:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 1st 2009 9:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 1st 2009 10:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/
Getting the full NT Kernel running on ARM would be a massive step forward though. MinWin et al prove that it its very modular structure lends it well to relatively low powered systems, and it it was designed from the ground up to be processor independent (running on Alpha and PowerPC as well as Intel x86) so it doesn't sound too unreasonable. The NT kernel doesn't get anywhere near enough credit in my opinon, it's an extremely clever and flexible piece of OS design that in many respects is far more flexible and advanced than the relatively antiquated *nix model.]]>May 2nd 2009 8:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 4th 2009 10:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 1st 2009 8:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 1st 2009 8:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/Windows has been pushing .Net programming for years.
It all runs on a virtual machine...

I'm sure the ARM boys want to get into the low power Netbook market.

Windows NT also ran on PowerPC many moons ago. All OS's worth their salt can be ported between processors.]]>May 1st 2009 8:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 1st 2009 9:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/
Besides, it's not like these ARM machines have any MORE compatibility with Windows apps running Linux than they would with Windows 7 for ARM.]]>May 1st 2009 9:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/
The benefits are even more limited for Microsoft. How many versions of Windows is that now? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Microsoft_Windows_versions makes it at 20 in 7 products. All of those need to be maintained, and they just dilute the brand. Brands have to be managed if they are to help a business, and Microsoft has shown increasing recognition of the need to manage their brand. This was very clear in Vista and is continuing in Windows 7.

I think this is just an executive worried by Intel's recognition of its most valuable asset and its recent "x86 everywhere" policy, trying to tempt Microsoft to enter the market by pointing out that it'd be a blow to linux. Really, it'd just be a boon to his company, as the limited availability of Windows is what gives Intel's x86 architecture its value.]]>May 1st 2009 9:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/
It's not a big deal.]]>May 1st 2009 10:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/
And it would push the .Net platform which would be good for MS and users alike.

I don't think they'll be able to pull it off technically: Windows is too much of a mess to make this work. It's a herculean task.

However, if they do actually get this to work, it would make Windows so much better. No more hacks, no more ancient version support (except in a VM on a desktop), etc etc. Technically, it would be an infinitely cleaner version of Windows.]]>May 1st 2009 10:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 1st 2009 10:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/
One of the main draws for Windows, especially on these things, is games. It would take massive involvment from MS and a HUGE shift in companies that make games for it to happen.

And high end ARM chips hardly have 'limited performance' compared to their low power x86 counterparts]]>May 2nd 2009 12:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/ ]]>May 1st 2009 8:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://lmgtfy.com/?q=iphone+specs]]>May 1st 2009 8:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 1st 2009 9:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 1st 2009 9:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/
Apple saw this happening, knew they could do dick all about it, and spun it that it was their idea.. and you bought into their hype.

The iPhone isn't exactly a standardized platform. ]]>May 1st 2009 9:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 2nd 2009 8:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 1st 2009 9:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 1st 2009 9:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/
There's CE, winows mobile and windows for embedded devices.
They all run ARM, CE 6.0 has great apps (office, excel, PDF, networking/internet, multimedia, ...)]]>May 2nd 2009 6:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 2nd 2009 12:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/
I don't see any hints about support coming, It says that they want Microsoft to add support for their business.]]>May 1st 2009 9:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 1st 2009 9:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 2nd 2009 12:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 2nd 2009 12:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 2nd 2009 6:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://bit.ly/16hWqm]]>May 1st 2009 11:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/
In other words, could you install Windows 7 Arm edition on an old Mac?

Just curious, I'm no Apple Fanboy by a long shot.]]>May 1st 2009 11:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 2nd 2009 12:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/
That said, there is Marvell's Sheeva core, and that's ARMv5TE right now, just like the XScale, and it's got performance on par with Snapdragon and Cortex. So, maybe they will go for an ARMv5TE target...

Other than that, there's the Advantage Six A9home, which... sucks. I want to say it's fixed at 128 MiB RAM, and has an ARM9 (ARMv4T.) NEXT!

That leaves Acorn's RiscPC, and that thing can't hold enough RAM to run Win7 (maxes out at 256 MiB of EDO. You might be able to get 384 MiB in one if you use a Kinetic CPU card, which has 64 or 128 MiB of SDRAM onboard. Even then, your fastest CPU option is a 300 MHz StrongARM, IIRC - roughly equivalent to a 233 MHz Pentium MMX in processing power, IIRC. And, it's an ARMv4.)]]>Jun 2nd 2009 1:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/
And, NT 4.0 PPC won't run on a Mac, only a PReP system - which is an IBM RS/6000 43P, or some other stuff, but Apple never made a 100% PReP-compliant system.]]>Jun 2nd 2009 2:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/I'm all for it. 'course, the OS that does the dominating, well. I have my own bets there..]]>May 2nd 2009 12:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 2nd 2009 1:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/
It doesn't get over the problem of binary compatibility, but as DEC showed with FX32 (and Apple with Rosetta), dynamic binary recompilation is possible and works quite well.]]>May 2nd 2009 3:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 2nd 2009 5:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 2nd 2009 6:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 2nd 2009 9:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 2nd 2009 10:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/
http://www.gizmag.com/go/4282/]]>May 2nd 2009 5:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/May 2nd 2009 3:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/
@Phil: Trivia time: Which movie has the "RISC processors will change everything" on it?

@futurepastnow: Where did you buy the thing you are smoking? PPCs won't run Windows unless you either have that NT version somebody else said around here, or (and if the hardware is powerful enough) if you emulate it. (Say, a PS3 has the Cell processor which is a derivative of PPC, in which you can run Ubuntu, use Virtualbox on it and run Windows... But that would be illegal, so don't do it.)]]>May 4th 2009 2:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/01/arm-ceo-hints-at-possible-windows-7-support-for-arm-processors/this is what i'm talking about, ARM is complete and utter fail.
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