http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/ Engadget Comments for Virgin Media testing DOCSIS 3.0 to new limits with 200Mbps, 3D and 1080p http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 2:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 3:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 3:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/
It can't compete with fiber, they are pushing the copper to the max right now... Fiber is just not being taken full advantage of yet. In the end though, DOCSIS will always be bottlenecked by the medium (copper). 200Mbps might be enough for us now, but we'll eventually need to replace all copper with fiber]]>May 6th 2009 3:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/Gave up in the end and changed to another provider as I was fed up of routinely dealing with clueless support staff who couldn't understand simple networking concepts (at the time I worked on top tier support for another ISP and was able to provide them all the diagnostic information they could possibly want, but had wanted Virgin's cable+tv+phone package)
Virgin also have a crazy bandwidth cap in place. If I downloaded at full speed for 10 minutes during "peak time" (pretty much any time I was actually at home during the week) I'd be hit with a bandwidth cap, supposedly 3Mb but in reality closer to 512kb with latency spiking up to 200ms. Okay(ish) for basic web browsing but screwed up anything else I might care to do. Like SSH, or online gaming.]]>May 6th 2009 3:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/
HDMI is 10 Gbps and that's a copper based medium...

Do your research Copper is no where near using it's full potential for data delivery. As of now with Docsis 3.0 the coax medium is only using 6Mhz of the available spectrum 60Mhz it has. Which is 1/10 of it's potential. The next docsis iteration most likely will be Gbps speeds easily. The only thing slowing US cable companies down is laws that are made by the FCC on who can lay fiber. A cable company like Time Warner or Comcast would have to pay their competition (AT&T or Verizon) to strengthen their backbones. So until most of the world is on Gbps internet with no problems wake me up. Because at this point you'll have to theoretically be 30 Gbps range for copper to be obsolete...

So why lay fiber to your house when you can get the same thing for less? Plus everyone knows Verizon uses coax to run from the house to the fiber it's 90% of the time it's not straight fiber to your house?

It doesn't make since to me honestly especially when consumer fiber is at it's early stages and doesn't give that much of a benefit to the average consumer...

That's my take on it, my internet speeds fluctuate from 22-30Mbps and I'm a comcast customer. When Docsis 3.0 comes out I'll be paying the same price for double my speeds.

I honestly see no reason for any consumer to jump to Fiber unless their cable company blows complete ass like the millions out there that have Time Warner....





That's my rant for today....
THE END]]>May 6th 2009 4:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/
Its not just about the type of cable, its about how long the cable is.]]>May 6th 2009 5:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/30 houses in a neighborhood. For now with so many people still using the internet for simple browsing and email, these cable speeds will be ok. But In the future, as more and more people watch/rent HD television and Movies (and find other high-bandwidth activities online) expect to get nowhere near 200mbps or even 50mbps. And this could definitely be a problem right now if you are in an area with a half-dozen heavy users sucking down torrents all day.

Although technology always improves, we are reaching physical limits with cable just as physical limits with DSL are already pretty much met because of signal noise. At some point,

On the other hand, fiber-to-the-home is nearly unlimited as we are nowhere near hitting a ceiling...]]>May 6th 2009 8:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 2:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 2:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 9:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 2:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 2:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 2:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 2:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 2:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 2:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 2:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 2:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/
I have 20mbps with Virgin media and i am happy with it, I hardly get disconnected (infact I never) and I always get 20bmps download speeds, no matter what time of the day.

I am really interested in their high speed HD content but I predict they will become pricey]]>May 6th 2009 3:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/D:]]>May 6th 2009 3:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/
http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html]]>May 6th 2009 3:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://allyours.virginmedia.com/html/internet/traffic.html

They say it only effects the top 5% of customers but on most packages the limits are bound to effect alot more then that, essentially just watching a BBC iPlayer program can at times trigger the management during peak hours on certain packages and alot more then 5% are using that.]]>May 6th 2009 3:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 2:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 2:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 2:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/
I've ditched Virgin Media 20Mbps and am now on 'Be' 8Mbps (despite my line supporting much higher speeds). The actual service I get from this 8Mbps on Be greatly exceeds the one I had with VM at 20Mbps. That, and the ridiculous traffic management was going too far...]]>May 6th 2009 2:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/
Wait what? Why are you comparing some medium grade service to a "top of the line service" from Virgin?

In Japan I can get a Gbit up/down, with static ip, with home phone included and obviously no bandwidth cap for about 70 bucks...]]>May 6th 2009 3:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 3:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 3:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/
Huh? What do you mean "what do you need to do to get internet every month"?

Is "Pay for it every month?" the answer you're looking for?]]>May 6th 2009 3:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/
Knowing Virgin, you'll get 200Mbps down with only 2Mbps up.]]>May 6th 2009 5:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/I hope its 1080p though. Good to see progress.]]>May 6th 2009 3:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8036086.stm

Supposedly 1080p AND 3D.]]>May 6th 2009 3:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 3:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 3:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 3:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/28/cablevision-loves-you-will-offer-99-101mbps-uncapped-internet/
Lets just hope they "love us long time" and this isn't some type of CT teaser rate. We shall see...]]>May 6th 2009 3:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 3:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 3:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 4:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 3:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 4:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 5:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/
Regarding 200mbs, i believe they have fibre to the box and then copper from the street box to the home, so all they would need to do minor works.]]>May 6th 2009 6:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 5:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/If it was still NTL it would be way better, expensive but you would be getting what your paying for. ]]>May 6th 2009 8:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 6th 2009 10:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/May 7th 2009 9:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/06/virgin-media-testing-docsis-3-0-to-new-limits-with-200mbps-3d-a/
And their 50mb service costs £50 too, I ain't paying that just to get no throttling, rather get a smartphone on contract for the extra after paying for a 10mb connection.

Their customer services are useless and a bunch of liars. Twice I was lied to about the price of a services that I could get after my 1 year minimum contract was up and I wasted to upgrade. They would told me £35 per month for tv XL and broadband L, only to get a letter saying it is £45 instead and when I complained they didn't care and accepted no liability. Then I reduced the services to broadand L and tv L and made sure that I was not signed up for another minimum contract of 1 year, for £29 per month and the letter I got said £36. Their customer services call centre is in India, but they lie just like in the Slumdog Millionaire movie saying they are in a UK city, but they aren't, they are told to lie, lie and lie some more! BASTARDS]]>May 7th 2009 7:30PM