http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/ Engadget Comments for AMD to flood Computex with mainstream Tigris laptops, reveal Danube? http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 6:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 7:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 11:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 6:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 3:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/Put it a notebook PC with a great OLED 3D HD screen and for the once plz make it as rugged as possible.]]>May 18th 2009 6:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 8:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 7:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 7:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 5:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 7:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 11:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 9:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/
When I last checked, the whole concept of a netbook was created by Intel as a way of artificially differentiating their low cost chips from the fat margin, high ASP Centrino land of notebooks to try to stop it from cannibalising sales.

Customers who buy netbooks want:
- a portable computer that runs Windows
- cheap cheap cheap
- small (but not too small - 10 to 13 inch screen and a decent keyboard)

Now to me, that's just a smaller, cheaper notebook with "just good enough" performance.

The other things that made a netbook different from a notebook (Linux, small SSD, no optical drive, no HDMI) seem to be gradually getting dropped as the manufacturers realise that actually people just want a cheap notebook that is easier to carry.

Because the Atom CPU sucks pretty badly, nobody would complain with more speed for the same amount of money.

As far as I see it, AMD have a perfect opportunity to dive into this nice middle ground with a low cost, low power dual core chip and decent ATI integrated graphics. If they price it slightly higher than Atom and don't put any restrictions on what the OEMs can do (cough cough, Intel), then it should do well.

However I've lost confidence in AMD to do anything as simple as that without cocking it up.]]>May 18th 2009 8:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 8:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 9:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/
AMD have never managed to convince people they can compete in the notebook sector on anything but price. Specifically, Intel's Centrino marketing said "hey, we have our shit together on battery life" and AMD never challenged that. They just sad "yeah but ours is cheaper."


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If they can get a dual core 45nm chip that's as low power as their single core 65nm then it'll be OK.

IIRC Tom's Hardware did a test that showed that an underclocked Athlon 64 was faster and lower power than an Atom, even though the CPU used more on its own, thanks to the ATI chipset which is really low power compared to the shitty Intel 945.

That said, I guess Intel will be refreshing the Atom platform fairly soon.]]>May 18th 2009 10:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 8:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 9:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 10:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/
Performance was never really an issue with the Puma cores, it was the power consumption and heat output that made them abysmal. If they get those factors under control and release them at higher clocks than current Puma cores, it could do well :) ]]>May 18th 2009 10:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 11:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/May 18th 2009 1:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/amd-to-flood-computex-with-tigris-notebooks-reveal-danube/Hopefully this dual-core 45nm "Caspian" is more than just a die-shrink of the older Turion Ultra.

Also, the AMD Neo has better performance than the Atom, but it is only really competitive because a lot of the netbooks are using Intel's power-hungry 945GSE chipset. The single-core Neo has a TDP of 15W just for the CPU itself, whereas a similarly clocked Atom is around 2W. So a dual-core Atom sucking around 4 Watts with the new efficient chipset should be more powerful than the single-core Neo and use 1/2 the power or less.

Is the future dual-core Neo 45nm now? And where is Conesus the Neo replacement? What is Conesus's architecture?]]>May 18th 2009 10:54PM