http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/ Engadget Comments for Developers get first look at Apple Push Notification service on iPhone OS 3.0 beta http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 5:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 7:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/
and before anyone starts, no, this is not an adequate replacement for background processes]]>May 18th 2009 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 5:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 5:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 5:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/]]>May 18th 2009 5:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/
Proof that you're not smart enough to bring anything relevant to the table...

@ eddy

agreeing with Mark is more proof that you're to busy being a follower than to be original, YOU actually use a RAZR? wow TOOL]]>May 18th 2009 5:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 5:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 5:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/Yet the majority of iPhone owners only have them for the "cool factor"]]>May 18th 2009 5:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/And they do just as much as the iPhone.
This isnt about the iPhone vs [insert your OS]
This is about how they're bullshitting....if it's been possible to do this type of stuff for this many years...
Why is it that the "Kings of Tech" cannot get this simple thing down?]]>May 18th 2009 5:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/
Let's not forget Apple has been in the mobile phone market for 2 years going on 3, Motorola has been in the Mobile Phone Market... well a long damn time, well before their shitty ass StarTac. Of course they are going to have more features and know how to implement them, it's been their job for ages, Apple's not so much.

Just like when Microsoft entered the Console arena, the First Xbox was ok, the Xbox 360 was great, and the next Xbox is going to be awesome, there is a learning curve.

The iPhone can't do everything, but what it does do, it does it perfectly, and does it in style. Unlike some of those 1 inch thick phones people are lugging around.]]>May 18th 2009 5:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/It means it was there...

There's no learning curve for Apple...they are genius' in the art of business.
You sell them a gimped device (iPhone 2G)
Roll out an improved device...they are shocked and amazed (iPhone3G)
Then turn on those feature's that they "couldnt" add in...(3.0)

Everytime something that's "not good" gets better, they'll go and buy it.

That's beautiful business....]]>May 18th 2009 6:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/
iPhones account for the vast, VAST majority of all cell data usage in the US. I mean the margin is ridiculously wide, nobody else even comes close. Know why? Because people USE their iPhones. You know, to do things that take a good amount of processor and/or GPU power. It could be that you're just a moron though, I mean my iPhone will stay charged for a good three days with moderate usage. But let me guess, you have no direct experience using an iPhone on a daily basis, am I right?

iDavey - the iPod function, the phone, Safari and Mail all run in the background on the iPhone, as does the SMS notification service obviously. Despite that, the iPhone's battery does last several days if you're only doing what other smartphones are capable of - namely, not playing Peggle or Super Monkey Ball or whatever. See the difference? The iPhone has the hardware GPU which takes a lot of juice to run. Your "other smartphones" don't have that.]]>May 18th 2009 6:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 6:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/
Uh... it had the best battery out of the then available smartphones. The new ones match or beat it with multitasking.]]>May 18th 2009 7:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 7:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 7:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 9:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 9:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 11:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/
And how completely unnecessary.]]>May 19th 2009 4:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 19th 2009 10:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/Nah... Apple it sounds like a nice gimmick which comes in like a swell toy but for serious business I wouldnt dare to touch your mobile as long as you dont have your act together. A mobile that doesnt sync as it should, drops calls/mails/appointments and poses as a massive security treath isnt suitable for business.]]>May 21st 2009 5:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/
Proof please or I'm fling this one under 'subjective comment'.

"Are they already on the phone? Does Nokia have a good Q&A that puts 35,000 tested apps on the phone? Is there an App store that can compare. NO THERE IS NOT. Until it gets one..."

You mean Ovi which will launch with 20,000 apps in about a month? Currently you download the more popular ones from Nokia's Download! facility - which is built into the phone - or from Google or the providers themselves (Shozu, vTap, etc). These apps will sell through Ovi in future.

No offense, but for someone who professes to know a lot about Symbian and Nokia you seem to have remarkably little knowledge of how they operate.

"And I prefer an iPhone because it does what I need to. I need multitouch to pinch and squeeze on a remote desktop session,"

Really? I just use the scaling bar or double tap.

"and to right-click easily with a two finger tap."

Tap and hold does this.

"On the Nokia 5800, I can't do that. Its resistive screen doesn't allow for it."

As mentioned it does. It just does it differently.

"The consistency of even their native menus can't decide on a single or double tap..."

I agree with this.

"I suspect it is because the 5th generation (there was no 4th btw)"

There was no 4th generation because 4 is an unlucky number in Nokia's key Asian markets.

"of Nokia's S60 OS still lacks the refinement and developer guidelines which you pay for in an Apple product."

The sort of refinement which lacks a basic folder structure for your apps so you have to browse through up to 9 (or is it11?) pages to find an app you mean?

"Hackers have a hard time justifying the purchase of 'intelligence', and are clouded with more and recent hardware = better, but if the drivers don't work, its not going to fly. In the case of the Nokia 5800 however, its cheap plastic compared to the metal and glass of the iPhone is hardly a decent comparison."

Well it would be if I actually cared about that. I find the 5800 light and pocketable plus if I drop it I don't have to worry about the screen shattering.

I'm sorry but clearly you have no idea what you're talking bout here - your basic lack of understanding about Download! and the advent of the Ovi store clearly demonstrates this.]]>May 19th 2009 8:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/
Still don't see the point. My Nokia E71 lasts three days even with several 3rd party background apps constantly running. What's the point of vetting apps if you don't stop apps doing naughty things?]]>May 18th 2009 4:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 5:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/
Especially when Apple can weed out the bad eggs during the application certification process.]]>May 18th 2009 5:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 5:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 5:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 5:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 5:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/
Most of the time, your smartphone's screen is turned off and the CPU isn't maxed. It's idling. It's efficiency of this idle state that has the most effect on standby time.

Background apps specifically *don't* turn the screen on (hence "background") and *don't* use up all your CPU cycles. The same code running on a 330Mhz CPU (in the E71) is going to use the same amount of juice as on a 400Mhz CPU (in the iPhone), so long as it's not maxing out the CPU.

If the E71 can handle background apps, so should any smartphone with an efficient OS and a decent battery.]]>May 18th 2009 6:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/]]>May 18th 2009 6:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/
"Its running I/O for multitouch, gps, not to mention its 'tilt' sensors."

So what? Multitouch aside - which is just an I/O reader using differential 'touch' points as well as opposed to pressure based co-ordinate points - most other smartphones have GPS and accelerometers.

And multitasking.]]>May 18th 2009 7:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/
Those 'other' operating systems stall, have serious problems with poorly written third party apps that result in a poor customer experience on a scale that cannot be compared to iPhone. Check a user forum, or personally take calls with user issues for a day and you'd go insane. Until the Palm Pre comes out, you can't compare the effects of an acceleared GUI of the iPhone, multitouch, user experience, and battery life in one package. I have WinMo, I have Symbian, and they don't compare.]]>May 18th 2009 7:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/
So does Mobile OS X.

"have serious problems with poorly written third party apps that result in a poor customer experience on a scale that cannot be compared to iPhone."

So don't install them. Use the decent ones that most of seem to be able to find.

"Check a user forum"

I did. Macrumors has a good few of threads about problems with Apple's apps.

"Until the Palm Pre comes out, you can't compare the effects of an acceleared GUI of the iPhone, multitouch, user experience, and battery life in one package. I have WinMo, I have Symbian, and they don't compare."

Good for you. I prefer the 5800 because it does what I need it to. YMMV.]]>May 18th 2009 7:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 11:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/
"So don't install them. Use the decent ones that most of seem to be able to find."

But thats the problem, most don't seem to find them. Are they already on the phone? Does Nokia have a good Q&A that puts 35,000 tested apps on the phone? Is there an App store that can compare. NO THERE IS NOT. Until it gets one...

"Good for you. I prefer the 5800 because it does what I need it to."

And I prefer an iPhone because it does what I need to. I need multitouch to pinch and squeeze on a remote desktop session, and to right-click easily with a two finger tap. On the Nokia 5800, I can't do that. Its resistive screen doesn't allow for it. The consistency of even their native menus can't decide on a single or double tap... I suspect it is because the 5th generation (there was no 4th btw) of Nokia's S60 OS still lacks the refinement and developer guidelines which you pay for in an Apple product. Hackers have a hard time justifying the purchase of 'intelligence', and are clouded with more and recent hardware = better, but if the drivers don't work, its not going to fly. In the case of the Nokia 5800 however, its cheap plastic compared to the metal and glass of the iPhone is hardly a decent comparison. The Nokia N series maybe, but then again it loses when it comes to software refinement. Palm has a chance, and Nokia too if they are willing to put everything on the line like Apple did. And in the case of Palm, it looks like they have. If Palm Pre doesn't make its dent, I'm afraid we'll have to say good bye to Palm. As a WinMo developer but iPhone user, I'm not one for less competetion in the market place. Someone has to keep Apple's product on its toes and on the cutting edge.]]>May 19th 2009 5:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/
let's see how "LOOK_AROUND_YOU" tries to troll about this piece of good news!]]>May 18th 2009 4:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 5:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 4:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 4:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 5:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 5:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/18/developers-get-first-look-at-apple-push-notification-service-on/May 18th 2009 5:56PM