http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/ Engadget Comments for Google announces first PowerMeter partners, we beg for more http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/May 20th 2009 3:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/May 20th 2009 4:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/
Obama's rules will actually not get rid of SUV's and Truck's. The manufacturers are just going to make some smaller and more dangerous cars to offset the bigger ones that most people want.

Recent studies shown that the last iteration of the CAFE standards (which is what Obama is adjusting) is responsible for thousands of death because it forced automakers to make smaller cars to meet the standards.

This is why I will never by a small car. They are only built to allow SUV's and Trucks to exist.

I could car less about my carbon emissions. It's not a pollutant and anybody with brain can see humans don't contribute to global warming.]]>May 20th 2009 9:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/May 20th 2009 10:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/May 20th 2009 5:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/May 20th 2009 11:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/May 20th 2009 3:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/Where have you been? There are similar web applets and software all over the place. Commercial grade and already in use...

Google is a business who is utilizing its API's and existing products and leveraging them in a new space..
It's not hard to export data from a logging device and create pretty graphs...

I sometimes wonder about the commentary people make.. You would think they live in the stone age]]>May 20th 2009 3:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/May 20th 2009 3:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/May 20th 2009 4:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/May 20th 2009 4:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/I sometimes wonder about the knee jerk reaction some people make!!

It's not like the energy companies make this common knowledge ! I wonder why.......]]>May 20th 2009 4:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/May 20th 2009 6:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/
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Also does JEA (Jacksonville, FL) not deserve it's own bullet line?!

-Duval represent ]]>May 20th 2009 8:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/
It's a joke, but not so much.
]]>May 20th 2009 4:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.bwired.nl/plugwise.asp. ]]>May 20th 2009 4:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/
Thomas]]>May 20th 2009 4:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/]]>May 20th 2009 9:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/If you read the forums at domotica you'll see quite a few annoyed users. Plugwise have been collecting their usage data without asking. Would you really want to use them?

]]>May 20th 2009 9:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/@Paul

There are no licensing fees for Zigbee/Xbee stuff, it's built into the initial cost, the cost of basic units is fairly cheap.

]]>May 20th 2009 10:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/@Thomas

it's more likely to be Digi's proprietary routing firmware than Zigbee then, since meshing would make more sense in a domestic envrionment. ( see http://www.digi.com/technology/digimesh/ )

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Here's a (typical) problem with zwave : It can't unlearn units without them being accessable - so when your bulb blows and takes a switch with it, you must FACTORY RESET your entire infrastructure and reteach it all the nodes. That and you need a neutral for your light fittings (which funnily enough isn't present in most households).

I would gladly pay some bucks to get my house's light switches completely moved over to a HA system that worked but I don't understand why no one has taken the market space between professional high end and hobbyist / consumer who knows how to wire a light switch. Any other comments gladly read btw.]]>May 20th 2009 4:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/
Zigbee works, and is in use today. I already have an energy metering system installed and working in my own home with Zigbee devices. It can adjust the HVAC and lighting based on load profiles and occupancy levels.

As US Domestic energy prices skyrocket over the next 3 years, these kinds of energy monitoring and management systems will be very important for keeping your home power bills in check. All of this hope and change is going to be VERY expensive. ]]>May 20th 2009 8:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/
Only problem I've had is that their datacable driver blue screens my Vista installation.]]>May 20th 2009 6:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/May 20th 2009 7:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/The difference is that AlertMe want you to pay for the monitoring service, CurrentCost is a unit you buy and that's it. With the upcoming IAM's and things like the mousetrap dev board the Current Cost stuff is much more appealing. I don't really want to have to pay to constantly monitor my usage, I'd rather monitor it locally and use Pachube ( my example feeds are here: http://www.pachube.com/users/scaredycat/feeds ) if I want others to see it. ]]>May 20th 2009 8:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/May 20th 2009 1:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/May 20th 2009 6:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/]]>May 20th 2009 7:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/
The issue is that Ontario doesn't have enough power to always meet 100% of the demand. So in these high-demand times, we end up importing very expensive and very dirty power (coal power out of the northeast US). The smart meters are an attempt to shift the load to shave off these peaks a bit.

There is a proposed Feed-in-Tariff for solar which should pass in the next few months which would pay homeowners over $0.80 per kwh. This will help the utility increase supply, while helping the homeowner mitigate costs.]]>May 20th 2009 7:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/And besides, I heard the US massively bought power from canada, and you are telling me they buy it from the US, now I'm confused.
In my area they have just a flat price and optionally you can get day/night power with a 2 counter meter, where the power during the day is slightly more expensive; but during the night it's way cheaper, so thrifty types can do the laundry at night and save a bundle. Assuming they live in homes where the noise doesn't bother the neighbours I guess.
]]>May 20th 2009 11:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/Once you are green you don't need to save power except to balance your home budget.
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Obviously, any single piece of my info is not important and is probably available from several other sources.
When anyone who is a partner with google can get a report on your email, calendar, files on your computer, search history, voice calls and messaging and power usage, one can come up with a pretty accurate profile on you. The biggest concern with that is someone can know when you are or are not at home, the 2 extremes being a thief or a rapist. The mundane concern is marketers knowing your exact habits and targeting calls, to you only when you are home.
The long term super-paranoid concern is that we will be penalized for our habits. Your car insurance goes up because your profile shows that you don't come home till abnormally late at night and may be more tired. Your health insurance goes up or services are denied because google grocery shows that you are eating outside of the WHO guidelines. ... you get fired because google bed monitor shows you are not getting enough sleep to be competent... Google Flush's stool analyzer shows that you poop too much and will be denied access to the toilet so that you have to take a dump in a bio-degradable container and bury it no less than 6ft underground and no less than 300 ft away from schools, aquifers, day-cares and any other excess poop that was buried in the last 120 days (thanks google geo-poop-cache for the help!).
:)

/disable tinfoil]]>May 20th 2009 10:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/May 20th 2009 11:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/
Smart Meter Installation Schedule:

March 2009 – Aug 2009 - Escondido

Sept 2009 – March 2010 - Remainder of North San Diego County and Escondido

Spring 2010 - Jan 2011 - Central, South and East Counties

Aug 2010 - Dec 2011 - Orange County]]>May 20th 2009 11:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/]]>May 20th 2009 11:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/www.princetongreen.org/markt]]>May 20th 2009 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/May 20th 2009 12:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/20/google-announces-first-powermeter-partners-we-beg-for-more/
How does me liking greener ideas for our environment and more money for our economy classify me as a "sheep" ?
I thought wanting what was best for my country was called being "Patriotic" but I guess you wouldn't know anything about that now.. would you? I did not vote for Obama so how am I a sheep or his sheep? Leave it to a true Republican supporter to call patriots "sheep". Your probably a republican supporter who voted for Mc Bush and wishes to see Obama fail no matter what... even if it means our own downfall.

And if by hype phone you are implying a G1... then I am guilty as charged.]]>May 20th 2009 7:39PM