http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 4:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
i mean seriously after all most people buying computers nowadays are for personal use and they know very little about all the configurations and features. so why offer some of your customers something that's worse than you can offer AT THE SAME COST TO THE COMPANY?

it's not like that microsoft made the ultimate version out of free range egg or something...]]>May 22nd 2009 4:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
What's the matter, b? One less thing to cry about?]]>May 22nd 2009 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
"i mean seriously after all most people buying computers nowadays are for personal use and they know very little about all the configurations and features."

Really? so those millions of computers bought by corporations, setup on their networks, and manageable through NT software dont exist?

Apple focuses on ONE THING, the personal user.

Microsoft makes (just guessing) most of their money from enterprise solutions and business models. you're a thick one if you think:
A: Mac OS is designed for enterprise use
B: Most ppl buying computers these days are for personal use

Let's use our brains before posting plz]]>May 22nd 2009 5:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 5:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/Apple may not be asking you to buy one of five versions of OS X, but they do force you to buy only their hardware, which they make a nifty premium from.

"so why offer some of your customers something that's worse than you can offer AT THE SAME COST TO THE COMPANY?"
The same reason Apple charges iPod touch users for OS updates even though it was already produced for iPhone users. They didn't have to do anything costly or special to run it on the iPod touch.]]>May 22nd 2009 5:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 6:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/I'm loving the irony here man! ]]>May 22nd 2009 8:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
And yes, Microsoft has the right to charge differently for different versions of their OS. The second they stop making more money that way they'll stop.]]>May 22nd 2009 8:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/

You're condemning Microsoft for charging too much money for stuff as a way to defend Apple? You may want to think that position through a couple more times before saying it in public again.]]>May 22nd 2009 9:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 9:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
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Good on us, EU citizens, we'll have PLENTY to choose from!]]>May 23rd 2009 6:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 25th 2009 11:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 4:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
Windows 7 Starter will be identical to Windows 7 Home Basic (which won't be sold in the developed world).]]>May 22nd 2009 4:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/Such as Aero peek, animation, better understanding on what happens when you put a window on the edge of the screen, instead of a blue rectangle that just pop, same for task bar thumbnails and the taskbar thumbnail application integration, and no full screen zoom or magnifying glass with the magnifier. Moreover, Aero Basic, and Windows Classic, uses the CPU (which sucks at rendering anything image related as it was not designed for this) instead of the GPU to render. So that means, like XP and previous version of Windows moving a window or even your mouse while the CPU is at work, will actually slow down your system.

Moreover, you have no DVD playback codec in 32 and 64-bit, among other things, and no Media Center, system backup, Tablet PC support (so no snipping tool, math hand recognition input (which works well when you try and use your mouse to generate nice complex math formulas)), and more... we have to wait for the full list.]]>May 22nd 2009 4:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 6:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
I don't see why not, the beta Ultimate runs better on my NC10 than XP home, so performance isn't an issue.
A multitouch notebook manufacturer would have to screw up pretty badly to put starter on instead of home premium or whatever they're going to call it.

Honestly, I would probably take starter for the NC10 at release... depending on the saving over home premium. Aero is the only thing that worries me. I could live without the chrome and easier recognition of borders on dragging windows to the edge etc, but the new taskbar is excellent, and I don't know whether losing Aero would mean a return to the old bar.]]>May 22nd 2009 6:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 4:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 5:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
Now MS needs to work on getting it down to fewer versions because the ridiculous redundancy is ridiculously redundant.]]>May 22nd 2009 5:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
As far as you are concerned, there are two versions, since I would assume you are picking up a full install/upgrade disc.

Ultimate is not going to be available in many places, Enterprise is only for business, Starter appears to be netbooks only and not even purchasable, and the rest you will never see here.

You have to admit, they did a much better job with making any higher version a superset of lower versions. That at least makes it much easier to put a dollar value on the features you can get by stepping up, without the confusing task of assigning priority for one feature over another.]]>May 22nd 2009 6:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 4:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
Starter edition is like almost free Windows for OEM, and no one would actually buy it, as you have nothing. And probably will be charged more if you are not a Microsoft partner (so like if you get it at NewEgg and stuff, you'll pay a lot more).

Home Premium and then Professional edition where the Pro version is above the Home Edition with no loss in feature (we have to wait for Microsoft final decision). Then for those who wants to buy a MINIMUM of 1000 Win7, you have Enterprise edition... but of course you don't have 1000 computer even if you try, so that one you can forget, and finally Ultimate edition, if you want specific special features, that most don't need, and that is why Microsoft will produce it in limited qualities.]]>May 22nd 2009 4:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/They need a Home edition. Get rid of Home Basic and keep Home Premium.
They need a Professional edition for work.
They need an Enterprise edition for large businesses that want to use VLKs.
They need Ultimate for all of the assholes out there that have to have the biggest and the best. They make money off of these lamers.]]>May 22nd 2009 5:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
Aero should be part of all versions. Here is the logic I place on the various versions.
Home Basic - User does not want to pay for a Media Center he will not use and does not need to join a domain.
Home Premium - User wants Media Center and does not need to join a domain.
Business - Small/Med Biz that does not need Media Center
Enterprise - Large Biz that does not need Media Center but need certain functionality primarily found in very large managed infrastructures.
Ultimate - Anyone that needs business integration and also Media Center. (or just want the biggest/best)

Since Apple does not make a business OS, that limits them to the equivalent of Windows home SKU's (Basic and Premium). Since Apple does not care if you pay for something you won't use, this brings it down to just 1 version, basically Home Premium.

So see boys and girls, this is why Microsoft has 5 SKU's and Apple only has 1. Basically it's due to business support and giving home users some choice.]]>May 22nd 2009 7:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
How 'bout this?

Windows Basic(32-bit)
Windows Home and Office(64-bit)
Windows Ultimate(64-bit, unlimited installs)]]>May 22nd 2009 8:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
Seriously, is that all you would use to differentiate versions? 32-bit for home, 64-bit for business, and ultimate version with *unlimited installs*? Who would let anyone have unlimited installations of an OS off 1 license. 64-bit is standard on all hardware sold today so why would 32-bit be for home?

Microsoft spends billions of dollars on development efforts geared towards business needs. Should they make home users pay for those efforts when the home user will not get any benefit? Or should Microsoft include the business bits in the cheaper "home" version so that businesses can just cheap out and buy home versions while getting the business bits benefits? There is clearly a need for a home vs business pricing and product differentiation. If you think of the different SKU’s as Home Needs, Business Needs, and All Needs, then you get this.

Home Needs:
Home Basic
Home Premium

Business Needs:
Business
Enterprise

All Needs:
Ultimate

So you can see that in each class of user type, Microsoft gives a couple choices, except in the case of Ultimate which encompasses all feature sets. I don’t see what the uproar is about. Its people that don’t have the intellect to comprehend the differences and target demographics or are just Microsoft haters that have been harping on about this since they first heard of the various Vista SKU’s.

And, yes, I leave the “Starter” edition out of this mix since it is geared towards populations of people that no Engadget reader belongs to, so it doesn’t concern anyone here.]]>May 22nd 2009 9:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
I always thought that Enterprise allowed unlimited installs, my bad if that's a misconception.

But anyways, a 32-bit, low-cost, basic edition would be used for low-powered computers, like netbooks, that usually don't have more than a few gigs of ram.

And idk, I kind of like the idea of a combined home/small-business, midrange cost, 64-bit sku that would meet the needs of, well, homes and small businesses at the same time.

For corporate/big-business purposes, there's the ultimate edition, or professional edition, or whatever you want to call it, which is also 64-bit.

That way, only 3 SKUs are required, and they all tailor to different needs. ]]>May 22nd 2009 9:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
1. Developing world/cheap edition.

2. Home - cannot join domain, has everything else.

3. Business - includes everything, there is no ultimate.


But there's profit loss for Microsoft doing this, if they can get away with more dollars, they will until it no longer works.

As said the consumer only sees home premium and business in the shops anyways.


]]>May 23rd 2009 9:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
Microsoft doesn't "NEED" to create 5 different versions... they're doing it because the marketing department says that they can make more money by differentiating their product for different user groups.

I personally think 5 SKUs should be enough:

Windows 7 Starter 32 (for the developing world)
Windows 7 Home (32/64)
Windows 7 Professional (32/64)

Since there isn't a version of 7 that doesn't require activation (like WinXP) you don't need to really differentiate between Pro retail and Pro VLK.]]>May 23rd 2009 11:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 4:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 4:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 4:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 4:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
"Crapple", really original...

Although I don't agree with qwack, you're post is just as stupid as his. No one even mentioned Apple.]]>May 22nd 2009 6:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
I got to try RC1, but it's sort of a pain partitioning my VelociRaptor, with Vista-X64 already on it.]]>May 22nd 2009 4:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
I couldn't care less about Media Center/Tablet PC support on a netbook. I uninstalled those right away on my Win7 RC install on my Dell Mini.]]>May 22nd 2009 4:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
MS is looking for the lowest possible price tag on units with their OS. Their challenge is to make the highest possible profit while doing it and give people a reason to upgrade. They will have to add some compelling reason to go from Basic to Premium. They are plenty of options here: single core support, lower RAM size, no solitaire, no Bluray playback, etc.

I think breaking up the products in 5 parts is silly. I think the OS should not cost more than 10% of the price of the computer. Most laptops go between $500 and $1500. So that would be your reference price for the full OS. For all other options, we could simple go to the MS Store to buy the add-ons - such as Bitlocker or BluRay support.
]]>May 23rd 2009 9:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 4:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 4:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/May 22nd 2009 4:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/Now that netbooks are here and using Linux, Microsoft does like Intel with their GPU. They don't make money.. they just don't want to lose this market share to others]]>May 22nd 2009 4:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
Because there's nothing much else to criticise it for. Gotta have something to carp about even if it's meaningless for 99% of users.]]>May 22nd 2009 5:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/22/microsoft-dropping-three-app-limit-from-windows-7/
Engadget, this is getting ridiculous. You essentially created this rumor that Starter Edition was for netbooks, and you've perpetuated it in every post. Can anyone cite even ONE instance where Microsoft has said that Starter Edition would be available in the US?]]>May 22nd 2009 5:46PM