http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 3rd 2009 4:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 3rd 2009 4:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 3rd 2009 6:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 3rd 2009 6:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://gizmodo.com/5277954/testing-project-natal-we-touched-the-intangible]]>Jun 3rd 2009 8:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 4th 2009 4:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 3rd 2009 4:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 3rd 2009 4:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 3rd 2009 4:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/I'm hoping for at the latest holidays 2010, because if not then they might just turn around and say "Available with Xbox 720, next year (2011)".
What do you guys think.

PS. Sorry for posting up here. Just wanted to start a interesting topic.]]>Jun 3rd 2009 8:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 3rd 2009 4:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 3rd 2009 5:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/The hardcore will stick with the traditional controller.
I am sure these are Microsoft's intentions as well.
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Why on earth would a company waste R&D time & money or potential lawsuits when they can either pay license or buy the R&D of a company???

If you're gonna have a go at least try harder]]>Jun 3rd 2009 4:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/
Why spend a crap load of money for inventing the wheel when another guy has done it and you are going to pay them a fair price.

It seem like a really smart decision.

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Acquisitions can be really good for everybody if put to good use like this. It's only when a company buys another company, and ends up dissolving it due to lack of strong commitment, when it becomes a bad thing. ]]>Jun 3rd 2009 9:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/e3-natal-not-derived-from-3dv

My guess would be that MS bought 3DV to avoid patent litigation and smooth the road for future adoption of pieces of their technologies.]]>Jun 3rd 2009 11:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/
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Most other Xbox peripherals can be used on the PC, so maybe this will too.
No mention of other consoles or Mac.

(see my comment above)

Oh, and before I get any crap for being an MS fanboy or whatever: I use my PS3 more than my 360 for games, and my Wii sits gathering dust when I'm not using WiiFit (or waiiting for indy to come out) but this camera thing looks awesome (& I'll prob buy it & the PS3 one as well if the games/whatevers are fun enough)]]>Jun 3rd 2009 4:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/
Apple,Sony,Xerox,Intel,Toshiba hell every large software or Electronics company has done the exact same thing a 100 times over. I bet every piece of tech your using now at one point had a part somewhere with some smaller company that was bought by a large company.

Granted there is nothing stopping MS from releasing this technology as a computer peripheral used to control whatever comes out after W7. Eventually computer screens will be huge wall mounted thin devices well control without a mouse and keyboard.]]>Jun 3rd 2009 4:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/minority report anyone??
multitouch panels are expensive and you have to be up close]]>Jun 3rd 2009 4:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/
But seriously, I think it will be interesting to see how well this will be implemented.

I do believe this is cooler than the wii's controls, however if this thing does cost an extra $100, I don't think you'll win over too many wii owners that don't already have an xbox. I mean the cheapest xbox would be back up to $300 with this thing added.

And only time will tell if this is just another 'eye-toy' in terms of sales or the next greatest thing.

But I'm kind of torn between this technology and Sony's tech--I can see advantages to both.]]>Jun 3rd 2009 5:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/
this acquisition helps all parties involved, including the consumer. now we're much more likely to see awesome games. and if microsoft likes money, they'll also release this for the PC.

Not to mention, microsoft has more programmers and engineers to throw behind improving the tracking algorithms and whatevs on the camera than the smaller company did (actually, they probably even kept most of the people on after they bought the company out. this is capitalism at it's best, not worst.)]]>Jun 3rd 2009 10:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 3rd 2009 4:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 3rd 2009 4:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 3rd 2009 4:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 3rd 2009 6:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 4th 2009 4:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/
Now we need a Sony's motion sense tech roots article: www.camspace.com]]>Jun 3rd 2009 4:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/
Oh, I don't know. Sony's motion device patent goes back to 2003, and Richard Mark (the same engineer we saw at the e3 demoing the device) WAY WAY back at Siggraph in 2000 demonstrated essentially what your camspace is doing today, with just EyeToy to optically track a wand with a green orb on it that Rich was holding.

I'd hope your camspace crew have their own patents somehow unrelated to what Sony has actually done and demonstrated for nearly a decade now, otherwise things could get ugly.
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For the first 20 years of the microcomputer era, it's pretty much a "six degrees of Kevin Bacon" game to list Microsoft products and know enough history to know who it was licensed then stolen from, stolen outright from, "embraced and extended" from, or bought from. At least in this case the original creator actually got something for their trouble.

Even that doesn't include the products that were destroyed because Microsoft "pissed on" them or conversely claimed that they were going to come out with something just like it (killing investment in the original), just long enough for the original to fail, at which time Microsoft would "change its mind" about developing such a system.

I remember presentations where Microsoft bragged about how much money was in their R&D budget. I'm not sure what came of that other than Microsoft Bob around that time.

Anyway, color me not surprised. At least this cool idea will see the light of day in a very broad setting. Hopefully the creators won’t get cut out of the action too soon.
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Only those left standing get remembered.]]>Jun 3rd 2009 5:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 3rd 2009 6:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/
Innovation has been stifled to a crawl. The last 50 years of the 20th century pale to the first 50 years. In large part due to giant corporations buying out innovations so they would not have to adapt. ]]>Jun 3rd 2009 6:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 3rd 2009 4:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 3rd 2009 9:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 3rd 2009 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/microsofts-project-natal-roots-revealed-3dv-systems-zcam/Jun 3rd 2009 4:54PM