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You sure did a good job of that with how many iPhone articles today? More than twice as many as the Pre release I'm sure]]>Jun 8th 2009 10:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 8th 2009 10:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 8th 2009 10:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 8th 2009 10:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 8th 2009 10:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 8th 2009 10:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
I say: Squared Circle for the both of them & let's see who wins.

Personally, I'm leaning towards a Pre (& I'm a huge Nokia fan- but the N97 looks borning, my 5800 *was* boring & my N79 is just doing okay).]]>Jun 8th 2009 11:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
I say: Squared Circle for the both of them & let's see who wins.

Personally, I'm leaning towards a Pre (& I'm a huge Nokia fan- but the N97 looks boring, my 5800 *was* boring & my N79 is just doing okay).]]>Jun 8th 2009 11:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
They think they can buy developers by giving out free handsets. Holy crap. They really think developers are that stupid. Why the heck would developers go to a platform that's dying? Symbian has been around a long time and if anyone was interested in it, they would have been there already.

Offering handset blowjobs to developers is rather insulting and smells like bribery. Here's a $100 Nokia 5800 handset if you defect to our side. Damn pathetic. No damn way is any up-and-coming developer going to leave the iPhone platform to jump to some geriatric OS no matter how much market share they have. Anyone with any common sense can tell there is going to be a huge market shift away from Symbian.]]>Jun 9th 2009 7:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 9th 2009 10:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 8th 2009 10:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 8th 2009 10:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
That made me crack up. They could have used a designer's touch to actually make the poster look good. It looks like a indie café breakfast menu.]]>Jun 9th 2009 12:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
... *facepalm*]]>Jun 8th 2009 10:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
-facepalm]]>Jun 8th 2009 10:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
*facepalm*]]>Jun 8th 2009 10:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
*facepalm*]]>Jun 9th 2009 1:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 9th 2009 7:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 8th 2009 10:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
Go jump off a cliff please.]]>Jun 8th 2009 10:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Think about it. Why would they want iphone developers? If they do grab some developers, that would mean that Apple's os is far superior to symbian. What does that mean for consumers? That we'll see the same apps from the iphone, but they will be less useful. Can you tell me any great symbian apps out there compared to the iphone's?? (besides badly java ported ones?). But it doesn't matter as everyone has their own opinions, so I respect your opinion.]]>Jun 9th 2009 2:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Great Symbian apps? How about Garmin XT (real GPS, right now)? Or the superior version SlingMobile (no crappy resistrictions!)? Or how about Quake 3? :)

BTW, developers tend not to do "badly java ported" apps since Symbian phones already support Java.

Get a clue.]]>Jun 9th 2009 3:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
Now if Mobile OS X were open and on multiple devices...I'd agree with you...]]>Jun 9th 2009 12:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 9th 2009 12:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 9th 2009 6:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
who will win?]]>Jun 8th 2009 10:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 8th 2009 10:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 8th 2009 10:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 9th 2009 6:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 8th 2009 10:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 9th 2009 8:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
A good example, open up the iphone app store and go to free games. You will find at least 10 free full games, and probably hundreds of demos, or games that you can buy custom levels or add ons, etc.

Now, go to OVI and select free games, you get 4 choices, 2 are demos, and 1 of them is a watered down version of the paid edition.

So ovi comes out and nothing free, Now lets look at the OVI star rating system, things like skyfire (something all S60 owners should have) show no ratings, but yet paid apps like the $2.00 cell wallpaper of rocks , has a 3 star rating, with no reviews, where skyfire has no stars and tons of reviews

The ovi store is tainted , no one would buy a $2.00 wall paper , give it 3 stars, or 2 stars, and not write a review, or for that matter buy a wallpaper for their cell. ]]>Jun 8th 2009 10:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
Not to mention I see improvements in the Ovi service (like Ovi Friends) coming with the N97 launch. The Ovi Store lets the developers price their items. $3 a wallpaper someone charges you do not have to buy. Do the smart thing, go online, get some wallpaper that you know you'll like and put it on your phone. The Apps on the other hand are coming out quite nicely. Qik was just released on the Ovi Store, and many other apps to come.

On the games, we got FIFA 09 out, along with SimCity. Basically, all I'm saying is that you can't compare Ovi Store to the App Store just yet.]]>Jun 9th 2009 12:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
You wouldn't be referring to the same app store that was released with the iphone 2.0 software that is less than a year old would you? Add to that the app store had over a thousand free apps the day it was released. Yes Nokia wins hands down on hardware but they are nowhere near close to what apple has done with the app store.]]>Jun 9th 2009 1:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
You're the guy who couldn't work out how to install the Ovi Store app, right? Forgive me then if I don't bow to your expertise.

I should also point out that Nokia's main game distribution platform is N-gage on which you can download and try for free every game to see if you like it or not. Plus, of course, Nokia will merge Ovi and N-gage at some point although there are already a couple of dozen games on the Ovi store itself.

Which is not to say Ovi doesn't need work because it does. It's just not the shambles you make it out to be.]]>Jun 9th 2009 5:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
To develop for Apple: $99 one time fee.

To develop a true native Symbian application for the Ovi store:

1. $200/year trusted certificate.
2. $70 fee to the Ovi Store
3. $20 Express Sign the app. Every time you update it, $20 again.

Total: $270 to post your first app.

(#3 may require you to buy a 10 pack at $200, so it maybe $470 to post your first app)

That said, you can distribute symbian applications anyway you want, you aren't forced to use the Ovi store. If you want to distribute your application for free OUTSIDE the Ovi Store you can do something called "Open Signing" where people who download your free app have to send to a special website and get a signed version back. It works, but it's not pretty.

]]>Jun 9th 2009 8:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
Try 11 months, it was released on July 10th 2008, stop give Nokia excuses ;)]]>Jun 9th 2009 9:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/]]>Jun 9th 2009 5:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 8th 2009 10:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Too bad the US will never see it grace our shores! =|]]>Jun 8th 2009 10:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 8th 2009 11:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
Then S60 for Nokia's smartphones, and Samsung also I think. S60 has v3, and the new version which supports touch interface, v5.

Then there's S40, which is for lower end models.

Nothing too hard here, 3-4 versions depending on how you want to look at it. Because Nokia's line is so big, they can't put S60 on low-end phones. Apple on the other hand only has one phone to worry about which makes it easier for them.]]>Jun 9th 2009 12:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Sorry, you're incorrect.

There's only ONE version of Symbian now. There used to be 3+ but they HAVE unified. Nokia, Samsung, Sony Ericsson et al all use the same platform and UI now.]]>Jun 9th 2009 3:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
On the other hand it's probably the largest market for mobile applications.]]>Jun 9th 2009 7:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/S80 used to be on those Nokia brick-like communicators. Haven't seen one around for a few years.

S60 is what it's based on now, don't know if they're still calling it that.]]>Jun 9th 2009 7:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
I swear if nokia makes omni likes appstore I switch back in a heart bit

The only thing nokia missing is the app store otherwise it's a much better phone than iPhone]]>Jun 8th 2009 11:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 9th 2009 12:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/
It's a common occurence... no news here unless Engadget is trying to spin something]]>Jun 9th 2009 12:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/Jun 9th 2009 1:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/08/symbian-looks-to-seduce-iphone-devs-with-free-nokia-5800s-world/ever.]]>Jun 9th 2009 6:09AM