http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/ Engadget Comments for Iwata says Nintendo tried and rejected camera-based motion control http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 2:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
it's different to the body recognition motion control]]>Jun 10th 2009 3:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 4:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
The interesting thing to note is that of course, as you end up having to dedicate processing power to the motion control, that's less CPU time that the actual game code can have. I think ultimately this will prevent the motion control from being used in any titles with very good graphics, which is why the in-controller processing/accelerometer approach is easier to handle. Of course, this is all relative, as obviously even while running motion tracking, the PS3 and 360 can output much better visuals than the Wii, but it's still a tradeoff that developers will be making. Judging from the current target audience of the 360 and PS3, I'm not sure whether that's a tradeoff that the studios would be willing to make, but probably a few that want to try to expand their market will go for it, and we'll see what happens there.

I find it really odd that Microsoft and Sony are doing this now though, since it's halfway through their consoles' lifespans and it's going to require a new peripheral, whereas at least with the Wii remote it comes with the Wii. The installed base for these new peripherals is also going to limit the number of games developed for them. It's a chicken-egg situation; gamers won't buy them until there are a number of games for them, but developers won't want to risk the huge costs for a game that uses the new tech without an installed base to sell it to. I really think they should have waited until their next consoles to try something like this, but at least maybe they will bundle them with future SKUs to increase the installed base. Of course, it's problematic that there is no release date for either, but they have to be waiting for some actual games to pan out before they release the peripherals. Regardless, these peripherals are definitely going to make the console scene more interesting, but I can't help but feel that it's really too little too late for MS and Sony to introduce motion control to combat the Wii. I mean, technically the PS3 has had motion control in the Sixaxis but who uses it? The appeal of the Wii isn't just motion control, and I don't think MS and Sony have been able to fully understand that.]]>Jun 10th 2009 8:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
I like how they lied though, any tech they tried was closer to eyetoy reading difference in pixels as motion in a grid rather than natals full body tracking, since wii doesnt have the processing power to do anything more than eyetoy]]>Jun 10th 2009 9:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
And Iwata is right, if developers would just recognize that Wii is the perfect combination of motion. It's perfect for FPS. Natal and the ps3 glowing dildo all require wayyyyy too much movement. With Wii you can sit there and play a FPS...how are you going to do that with Natal and ps3, by jumping all around. It's required to have that much movement to make a camera based system where as with the Wii all the control can be done with the controller. And though it sucks that it's an add-on coming 3 yrs later, but with Wii motion plus 1:1, Natal and ps3 dildo will never catch on.

I like the interactive of Natal with the boy, but as far as motion control, Natal and ps3 dildo are not very well thought through and too late.]]>Jun 10th 2009 10:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
You do realize that the eyetoy wasn't the first camera based motion control system, let alone the first for gaming? Also, when the eyetoy was out, there was no craze. There was a warming, it had a small following.

Whatever way you want to spread it, Nintendo started the CRAZE. They packaged and marketed it right and in the end, that's what matters. The company that makes it marketable gets the credit because everyone has ideas. Few make those ideas work. And for the record, Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft all share such accomplishments.
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It's like saying that Sony and Microsoft are riding on Nintendo's tails for creating a gaming craze (NES, SNES) or Nintendo riding Atari's, or Nintendo riding Sony's since the PS2 was the start of real mainstream.

It's stupid.]]>Jun 11th 2009 6:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 2:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 2:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
Nintendo owns the console market.....50 Million Wii's sold...Microsoft and Sony, combined, aren't even there yet.

And then they own handhelds as well. DS and now DSi are doing stellar.

You must live in Bizarro world. ]]>Jun 10th 2009 2:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
HELLO?!]]>Jun 10th 2009 3:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
Oh wait where is sega now?]]>Jun 10th 2009 3:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
Actually 360 and and PS3 combined numbers are right around 52 million at this point.

As for owning the console space, that's relative. By this point in the last generation the PS2 had moved more than 60 million units, while the xbox and game cube had less than 30 million combined.

So by that measure the PS3 is obviously the failure of the group. The Wii however, despite starting $50 less and being the must have CE product for every retirement home on earth, is still lagging behind the PS2 in both units and market share per year.]]>Jun 10th 2009 3:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
I don't knwo what kind of medication you use, but sounds like is distort real life really nice.

So you are saying that Microsoft and Sony together are beating Nintendo? When was this partnership announced???

And then you are talking about the PS2?

I'm just glad you didn't mention that Kotaku has it's head inside Microsoft rear end, so that means it must be a good place.

You almost sound like you had some Nintendo stock and sold it before the Wii's sucess...]]>Jun 10th 2009 5:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 6:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Seriously, 360/PS3 fanboys can say all they want about the Wii, it will still not affect on how the Wii outsells their favorite consoles.]]>Jun 10th 2009 10:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
That's what myopic fanboys care about, you can bet the people making all three consoles are looking at this generation, and last generation, and guess what, they're thinking about the next generation.
In fact, I promise you, at Nintendo there's someone who's job it is to figure out why the Wii isn't outselling the PS2 year over year.

But, you go ahead and keep that narrow focus, we wouldn't want you to get overwhelmed. ]]>Jun 11th 2009 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
Ability to follow the thread of a conversation fail.

xcrunk said that the Wii had outsold the PS3 and 360 combined, I was pointing out that it hadn't.

You mean the same PS2 that has out sold both the 360 and PS3 at some point in the last year, yeah I mentioned it.

Arguments are easy when you only focus on one point, try looking at the big picture. Go ahead, give it a try.]]>Jun 11th 2009 12:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 2:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 2:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/a) Currently uses a undefined hardware, most likely a expensive one (and not really a single 3d camera).
b) Required a unspecified machine, you can bet that xbox360 is not enough to carry such task.
c) The price is unclear, nobody will buy a over $5000 Natal.

IMHO apparently Natal will not be available this xmas or the next one, time enough to drop the current xbox360 and launch a new version.


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I remember reading a few reviews but didn't see that particular point being addressed;

Thanks!]]>Jun 10th 2009 5:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
you mean a over 9000 Natal?
:P
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]]>Jun 10th 2009 3:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 3:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/-There are 2 cameras. One 3D camera which can track depth, and an infrared for dark rooms

b) Required a unspecified machine, you can bet that xbox360 is not enough to carry such task.
-Natal have its own processor.

c) The price is unclear, nobody will buy a over $5000 Natal.
-Since the project have no launch date, it's obvious that there is no price yet.]]>Jun 10th 2009 4:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 5:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 2:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 3:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
Also in the Engadget video of their demo you may have noticed that the room they were running the demo on in was completely white, and by that I'm not referring to the people in it. Even the air conditioner was painted completely white. The Eye Toy had problems distinguishing people from a real world background, and maybe Natal has the same issue, thus the solid white room. If so, that's a deal breaker.]]>Jun 11th 2009 10:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
Wii's are a novelty device, they cashed in on the hype (good for them) with crappy games and even worse graphics. Everyone I know plays either 360 or PS3 pretty consistently... As soon as those two release motion capture (if thats what you're into) people will buy it up.]]>Jun 10th 2009 2:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 2:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
I know 1 person who owns a PS3 and uses it solely for bluray. I know a bunch of people with xbox's, but they only play it by themselves. Whenever anyone has any friends over drinking beers and listening to music, it is always the wii that is providing the gaming entertainment; and that happens almost every other night somewhere among my friends.

8 people can have a blast playing 1 wii, no other console can say that. and new players are encouraged to start due to the very low learning curve, even my 79 year old grandpa understands how to play the wii. no other console can say that either. how much money has microsoft or sony made from the 35+ age group (that didn't just buy it for their kid)?]]>Jun 10th 2009 4:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
As far as punch out goes, Seeing as how the only really fun way to play it is using the classic controller or turning the uncomfortable wiimote sideways, its kind of a pointless sale for the wii, but good cause boxing with the wiimote like in wii sports is so far from fun its ridiculous. EVERY TIME you swing that fucking cord pops you in the face or neck or arm, its ludicrous.

I am in no way saying that they arent successful, im just saying it’s a boring ass console.]]>Jun 10th 2009 5:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
Nintendo's got them both beat, their motion controller comes with EVERY single system sold.

Even if Microsoft or Sony were to sell their motion controller at cost, they would never be able to reach their installed base numbers, which is, at present time, half of Nintendo total Wii base.

Sony/Microsoft, save your money, just throw it into the next console. ]]>Jun 10th 2009 2:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 2:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
The reason it failed has probably got something to do with using archaic hardware for the Wii. It's good at what it does do, but seriously that kind of processing power would have pushed it to it's limit with more than one person.]]>Jun 10th 2009 2:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 3:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 3:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 2:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/Jun 10th 2009 3:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/10/iwata-says-nintendo-tried-and-rejected-camera-based-motion-contr/
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Regardless of the company, I prefer motion technology that works as advertised the day I take it out of the box, not 3 years later with an add that I have to buy to make it accurate. ]]>Jun 10th 2009 3:17PM