http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/ Engadget Comments for Jimmy Fallon rocks out with Project Natal http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 12:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
...Why does that douche always wear sunglasses indoors? Does he have red eyes from smoking too much pot?

Jimmy had such a nerdgasm, he was screaming like a girl. ]]>Jun 11th 2009 12:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 12:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 1:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 1:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 1:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
1) "Hope that you don't have a heating vent on a wall behind you when you play?"

2) "Bright lights make it harder for the camera to pick up people?"

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1) If the IR sensor is sensitive to heat, then a very hot ambient temperature (or one that closely matches the temperature of the human body), would offer a pretty "flat" depth-map.

2) The camera on the Natal, like any other camera or lens (human eye included), is subject to the limitations of dynamic range. Most modern cameras have a dynamic range of 7 stops (I believe the human eye has a "high" dynamic range of 14 stops, in comparison). Assuming the Natal is on-par with with camera lenses, it would be sensitive to bright lights that overexpose the environment (similar to looking at a bright torch at night).

I don't think anybody in the public knows exactly how the device works yet, but it is safe to assume that the device will suffer from some of the known limitations of similar technologies.

Does it mean Natal will fail, because circumstances on the set of the Jimmy Fallon show were altered? Hardly. It is doubtful Microsoft is making the Natal compatible with all environmental situations, the same as software developers are incapable of making programs that run on every hardware configuration -- it is often logistically or financially unfeasible.

If Microsoft is trying to keep the cost of the Natal down for consumers, they are likely to use components that are good enough to provide consistently high quality operation in average consumer environments (a living or bedroom), but not so sophisticated that they make the cost of the device prohibitive. If this is the case, then the device will understandably (and expectedly) suffer from the limitations I described in (1) and (2). ]]>Jun 11th 2009 2:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 2:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
Can't trust anything on the net except your own instinct. "I hate this product and must talk about it". That doesn't work in real life, talking about things you LIKE is what PEOPLE do, spreading FUD about unreleased products is something paid employees do.

Truth + Better Product = WIN. Sony: Black People can't use NATAL. Haha, yep, whatever.]]>Jun 11th 2009 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 2:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 2:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnk7lh9M3o

]]>Jun 11th 2009 3:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
And to me that's all that matters.]]>Jun 11th 2009 3:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/The world's first analrapist
Man, I miss that show]]>Jun 11th 2009 6:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
http://theabutton.com/?p=207]]>Jun 12th 2009 12:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
I do wish this was released this year vs the next one or more probably 2011. ]]>Jun 12th 2009 2:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 12:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/

Its not finished you 'genius', rome wasnt built in seven days... or was it weeks... I can't remember]]>Jun 11th 2009 1:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Apparently the whole world was built in 6 days though...]]>Jun 11th 2009 7:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 12:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 12:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 12:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 12:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 12:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 12:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 12:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
And having solid white walls, ceilings and floors and no furniture helps too.]]>Jun 11th 2009 12:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 12:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 12:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
Now, whether or not they wore them for the fun of it or because of the circumstances pointed out in Engadget's post, I don't know. But, Fallon did say they weren't necessary to use Natal.]]>Jun 11th 2009 12:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 12:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 12:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
As long as you don't steal Merv Griffin's set, you should be okay at home.
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It's amazing how this has brought out this contingent of folks, who for some bizarre reason, really want this to disappear.

Sure the room needs to be "uniform", but that does not mean THX 1138 desolate, it just means a room without a lot of movement in the background, which is about 99% of all homes. I doubt it's going to mistake your couch for your hand.

Is it going on sale tonight? No! These guys have done a great job just on this. They have plenty of time to work out whatever kinks that come up.]]>Jun 11th 2009 12:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 12:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
Remember when the E3 demo showed multiple people moving while in a racing game on the couch???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0IqdRTDJQc

So, has MS already changed one of Natal's future capabilities to something more realistic?]]>Jun 11th 2009 12:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 1:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
@Mark: And you are pretty desperate to show that it will. What's the difference?

And I thought Natal was supposed to be able to tell depth because of some sophisticated iR camera work and all that. Shouldn't it ignore the crowd in back?

It must be specially tuned to only work at a distance as well (White box on the floor)]]>Jun 11th 2009 1:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
No, again it's the dynamics of where this demo was taking place.]]>Jun 11th 2009 1:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
1: Jimmy Fallon said it wasn't and
2: It perfectly detected the states of their hands and showed each finger moving correctly in the avatar. They certainly weren't wearing jumpsuits over their hands so if you buy into the jumpsuit being necessary then that should have been impossible]]>Jun 11th 2009 1:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 1:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
The red jumpsuits help distinguish the individual on both the regular AND IR cameras.

It should actually be noted that even in such a restrictive environment, it was able to alter the avatar when a new player stepped up to the plate.]]>Jun 11th 2009 1:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
I'm not saying that it is not possible but Sony is taking a more robust way (using the balls controllers).
So people always exited about new tech just like when wii was introduced back a while ago. So what did happen? People were disappointed with the wiimote. We have to wait and see.

PS: I don't understand why people here often not talking academically. You have to listen and think and learn not just believe what you see right away.
Regards.
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Yes, but it's pretty hard to correctly find the state of each finger on each of those hands. I don't really know the point of your post, it clearly shows that it can "see" the state of everyone's hands from that video... so what was your point again?]]>Jun 11th 2009 1:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
Bright lights make it harder for the camera to pick up people?

Your logic floors me.]]>Jun 11th 2009 1:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/Jun 11th 2009 1:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
Again pointless post. It could obviously see the hand and see each finger. If it was really having problems capturing anything that wasn't bright red then it certainly wouldn't have been able to capture as well as it did something as small and thin as a finger. I think you're confusing the camera portion of Natal(the only part that was ever in any doubt with respect to the red jumpsuits) with the software behind it.]]>Jun 11th 2009 1:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/11/jimmy-fallon-rocks-out-with-project-natal/
It's not about only tracking red suits. The red suits make it easier for the camera to identify a body (a person's shape). Once you do that, finding their head isn't trivial. Finding their fingers is easy as well. If I handed you a picture of a camouflaged soldier laying in a field, it would make it kind of difficult to find his hand, would it not?]]>Jun 11th 2009 1:31PM