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Apple sold more upgrades (3GS) in the last week than Palm (Pre) has sold since launch.

LMAO!]]>Jun 15th 2009 11:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/Jun 15th 2009 11:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/Jun 15th 2009 12:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
You should enroll in Analogy 101. Does Cobalts cost as much as Covettes? The Pre and iPhone are basically the same price. If anything, iPhones are perceived to be the more expensive option.]]>Jun 15th 2009 12:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
You should enroll in English 101. "Does Cobalts cost as much as Covettes?"

3 posts about this article? Must be a slow day working at your apple store.....]]>Jun 15th 2009 12:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
Next, besides pointing out grammatical errors, bring some ACTUAL substance with your post.]]>Jun 15th 2009 1:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
The PRE sales are IN HAND. Apple/AT&T can take weeks to distribute the 3GS's that they have "Sold".

Get back to me when in the first week of the 3GS more units end up in the HANDS of users than the first week of the Palm Pre.]]>Jun 15th 2009 1:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/Jun 15th 2009 1:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
Palm was able to keep up with the demand (on launch day) for the Pre because everyone already found their favorite phone. Why reinvent the wheel? The iPhone is the strongest smartphone available.

And don't give me that "the iPhone is far from a smartphone ... it took 2 years to come out with MMS" bullshit. No one uses MMS except for your 13 year old daughter putting grainy pics of her bare ass on MySpace. The age group that uses the iPhone doesn't give a flying fuck about MMS. MMS died back in the late 90's with TDMA and Nokia.

How much of the market does Sprint have these days, anyway? I don't even *KNOW* anyone that has Sprint. But just to be fair, maybe it's the area I live in.]]>Jun 15th 2009 1:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
no but GM is making a ton more money from their cobalts then from their corvette . where are you going with this analogy?]]>Jun 15th 2009 1:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/

hahahahahahah ... i especially like the line "has some great apps available" hahahahah
what a douche bag]]>Jun 15th 2009 1:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
While I have had both, and still feel, hardware wise, that the iPhone is better, the WebOS is what really makes the Pre shine. It may not be 100% final, but it's definitely a start in creating one of the most versatile Smartphone OS's ever.

And don't give me that crap about MMS is only for 13 year old girls. I work for a retail company, where 40 year old + managers take pictures of things in the store, and send them to employees.

I bet your next argument is copy and paste isn't necessary.

Do yourself a favor, take a moment to rethink everything, and take pride in the fact that they're both great devices, that have some minor flaws.]]>Jun 15th 2009 1:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/Jun 15th 2009 1:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
But I agree, it's simple enough of a feature that it should have been included @ release.]]>Jun 15th 2009 1:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
And the iPhone has never needed MMS (dead "technology" [?]) because you can simply e-mail a photo.

Why would you e-mail a picture (MMS) to another phone where you can view it on another useless 3" screen? How does this help your retail business with 40+ year olds? They should know better!

MMS is only good for sexting. Which I have no use for.]]>Jun 15th 2009 1:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
as you said with copy and paste, you might only use it a handful of times, but MMS is such a simple and common feature, that it should have existed from the start. i use MMS about 1-2 times a month. the other day i was at lowes and i was purchasing legs to make a bar table to go with some bar stools i have. i forgot what the design was on the legs of the stools. instead of driving home to look at them or having my girlfriend describe them to me, i just had her send me a pic on my phone. my point is everything has its use, and MMS is certainly more useful to more people than an app to monitor a patients heart beat.]]>Jun 15th 2009 3:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/Jun 15th 2009 9:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
"And the iPhone has never needed MMS (dead "technology" [?]) because you can simply e-mail a photo.

Why would you e-mail a picture (MMS) to another phone where you can view it on another useless 3" screen? How does this help your retail business with 40+ year olds? They should know better!

MMS is only good for sexting. Which I have no use for."


MMS is a dead technology? Really? Wireless carriers around the world will beg to differ with you, with MMS usage increasing each year.

If you had taken a picture and wanted/needed to get it to a person right away whom you knew was in a position to have access to email, how would you get it to their device? If the need was urgent or critical enough for that person to see it right away, would you seriously force that person to try and find a computer just to see your picture? If you did decide to go ahead and stoop down from your level, are you seriously saying that you just send it to the internet address the carrier maintains for each customer? Each carrier has a different address, so you would need to remember (or have input in your contacts beforehand) the address (based on carrier) that each person on your contact list uses. Why go through all that hassle when MMS just uses the person's phone number and let the carrier (and their intercarrier routing partners) handle the routing for you.

Or are you really saying that you only send to people who have smartphones that get email with attachments wirelessly because you wouldn't sully yourself by dealing with "those people"? And some people wonder why iPhone users have a stereotype of being arrogant....]]>Jun 15th 2009 10:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/]]>Jun 15th 2009 11:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
If tethering is the only thing they fight against, I'll be ok with that. They have to take that since tethering would be a violation of the end user and their Sprint contract. Palm can't be seen condoning that right now.

As for the rest of the development, I don't think Palm will squash it.

The only problem is that since the SDK is not finished, some homebrew and early applications may run into problems with update. And I don't think the problem is that Palm is trying to mess with them like another certain fruit company.
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So you dont want to have to update, but you'll complain when your apps start freezing because they expect those updates??

silly silly people]]>Jun 15th 2009 12:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/Jun 15th 2009 1:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
apple - ehh its all good .. people are at least buying our phones
palm - holly crap !! those punks !!.. lets force all our customer into doing something they dont want. MANDATORY UPDATES NOW
customer - man this sprint network sucks ... so much for unlimited data ... unlimited in the one block that it actually works]]>Jun 15th 2009 1:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
This may seem "heavy-handed" to some but I the long run it greatly improves the product and reduces the time spent by a developer working on something that may no longer be an issue.

In my opinion "mandatory updates" = "Better product" in the long run. If you really don't like them just find the hack to prevent the update and you are good.]]>Jun 15th 2009 2:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
Don't Sprint phones roam on Verizon for free? So you'd be able to use a Pre places that Verizon has their network setup. I don't see what the problem is as Verizon has the prized network that everybody raves about.]]>Jun 15th 2009 5:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/Jun 15th 2009 12:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/Jun 15th 2009 12:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/Jun 15th 2009 12:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/Jun 15th 2009 12:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/]]>Jun 15th 2009 12:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
Correct. That means that if I buy "unlimited" I get unlimited (not not just service until I reach some random cut-off point.
Further it means that I should be able to expect the actual coverage promised (and don't have dropped calls like I experience in the middle of e.g. freaking Manhattan.

You say "If you are using their resources for services they don't intend you to use, then you are violating a contract."

Wrong. If I use their services for things they don't allow to, them I'm violating their TOS. Slight difference but important. If there is a new cool thing tomorrow I'm allowed to use it per default. Unless it is stated in the contract that it's not ok. It is certainly not my task to guess what kind of annoying restriction they dream up and imagine for all kinds of future innovations.


Lastly you say: "You the user are the problem and not the phone company."
Unless that's a joke, i think it is deeply offensive. My phone company is charging me HUGE bucks for inferiors service. When I compare both price and service level to my friends in Europe, then I get angry. If I compare to even what many African countries are offered, I feel shame for this great country. The US by far has the worst developed and most expensive mobile phone system of any "developed" nation I know.]]>Jun 15th 2009 1:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
Yes, the Russian smartphones are so much better designed...]]>Jun 15th 2009 2:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
Being worried about the mandatory updates has cause, but I think Paln is going for a fan following with WebOS. A wide open webOS is good for work of mouth, I am more geared to buy a phone with an OS that has great flexibility rather than a restrained system like the Iphone.
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Will it? Notwithstanding the fact I, a Pre lover, have no particular hatred of the iPhone...the community interested in hacking will have no problems with the mandatory updates. Similar to the jailbreak community, I imagine the pre homebrew folks will have very little trouble subverting the updates.

Besides, how does mandatory updates somehow make discussion of the Pre's benefits invalid? We owe a lot to Apple in moving the smartphone market forward; similarly, I think the Pre has some valid contributions as well. Multitasking 3rd party apps and the manner they handle it is very nice.]]>Jun 15th 2009 12:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/Jun 15th 2009 12:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/Jun 15th 2009 1:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/]]>Jun 15th 2009 12:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
Palm is Evil. Apple is the savior.

Come-on. Wait until the updates happen and then judge. If the updates make the phone better, then it is a good thing and it should be mandatory. If the updates make the phone worse (which I doubt), that's a bad thing. If the updates "lock" the phone (forcing hackers to "unlock it again"), that's status quo (Tmo, Apple, Nokia, etc...).

When is comes to ROM updates, pretty much everyone does it...]]>Jun 15th 2009 1:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/Jun 15th 2009 12:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/
Palm was really friendly to developers back on the original Palm OS days. That was one of there positives since there were so many applications available.

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The only thing that might be different is that the Sprint network is not GSM so you might not see aggressive tactics to keep the Pre on the Sprint network like AT&T and Apple did for the launch of the 3G, where the cool and convenient "activate your phone at home" concept got murdered in the back room.]]>Jun 16th 2009 4:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/Jun 15th 2009 12:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/Jun 15th 2009 12:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/Jun 15th 2009 12:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/15/palm-webos-system-upgrades-mandatory-hacking-scene-forbidden-fr/Jun 15th 2009 12:29PM