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Shamwow guy says, "Made in China, you know the Chinese always make good stuff."]]>Jun 17th 2009 1:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 17th 2009 1:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 17th 2009 5:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 17th 2009 1:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/
:sigh:]]>Jun 17th 2009 1:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 17th 2009 2:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 17th 2009 2:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/
The most graphic intensive game I play is Galaxy on Fire which works pretty well on my own phone.

I really doubt I'll jump for the 3GS unless they show me something I absolutely can't do without. All I really want is tethering.]]>Jun 17th 2009 2:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/EPIC FAIL

well, at least it finally has copy + paste. what a joke. ]]>Jun 17th 2009 2:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 17th 2009 3:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/oo and i have a keyboard and a higher res screen soo thats settled]]>Jun 17th 2009 3:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/
IPHONE IS LACKING BECAUSE OF THE FOLLOWING:
No multitasking
No Physical keyboard
No LED flash

PALM PRE IS LACKING BECAUSE OF THE FOLLOWING:
8 GB memory limit
No true apps - only webapps (so weak)
No voice and data at the same time (because of Sprint CDMA network)
No voice dialing (WTF)
No video recording (WTF?)
No voice memos (WTF)
No movie rentals (over the air or otherwise)
No visual Voicemail
No TV show rentals
No audiobook purchasing
No true app store (18 is a joke)
No console-quality games (like Resident Evil, Metal Gear, 1000's of others for iPhone)
No Peer to Peer games
No VoiceOver (the iPhone can read any screen to you, just like a Mac)
No native in-car integration (iPhone has this with dozens of cars)
No podcasts
Crippled copy/paste (for example - you can't cut or copy a webpage or any part of it)
No universal search (crippled - no e-mail search)
Tiny keyboard (iPhone landscape and portrait keyboards are bigger than Pre's real keyboard)
No auto wi-fi login (just jumps on any open network and remembers them all)
No 7.2 Mbps network speed
No Remote Wipe
No Find My Phone feature
Can't function as a Remote for the household stereo (Great for parties, especially with the iTunes DJ feature where people can request songs)
Weak battery life
More expensive than iPhone
Very scratchable screen
No oleophobic protective screen
No real music store (Apple can break the compatibility at any time and I don't want to take that chance)
No Voice Commands (control music playing by saying "Depeche Mode" for example)
No Compass
No multiple and customizable home screens like iPhone (Pre only has one screen)
No Parental Controls
No Video Editing
No onboard Ringtone Creation
No 5 person conference calls
No Webclips

Anyone have anything to say about this? Can anyone honestly say the Pre has more features?

PS - the iPhone CAN multitask - you can listen to music, send e-mails, download files, AND surf the web at the same time. What you CANNOT do is have multiple 3rd party apps open at the same time - for example, I can't play Boggle AND Texas Holdem at the same time. And why would I? However, I CAN play Boggle, listen to my music, answer an email, download a PDF, etc. at the same time.

I would honestly like someone to list several dozen features the Pre has that the iPhone doesn't have. I guarantee no one will.]]>Jun 17th 2009 6:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 17th 2009 6:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 17th 2009 6:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 17th 2009 7:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/
This guy listed a whole bunch of stuff that the Pre lacks and not a single person can refute him. All you guys did was call him names.

I guess the truth hurts.

I love that list and i'm gonna post it elsewhere if you don't mind, dude.

I, too, would like to seee if anyone here can refute this iphone list.]]>Jun 17th 2009 7:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/
-When you click on the App Store, the 'Update' tab is hidden in the 'More' tab. This may seem annoying, but it ends the habit of directly going to the 'Update' tab when you first fire up the App Store because it never finds any updates that way. You have to quickly choose another tab first as it starts up.

-You can now see Artist/Album information when you double-press the home button when iPhone is locked. Also, the song text is smaller so you can see the entire song information without the trailing periods (for e.g. "The Great Song By..").

-You can now read reviews for iTunes items now! Yay! Finally. You could do it only for App Store items before.

That's all I'm seeing so far. I know all the 3.0 beta testers probably know about this. Hehe.

]]>Jun 17th 2009 8:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/
For people to refute that nice list that someone actually felt they needed to specify in minute detail about how the device is not an iPhone (seriously, even if everything listed was in the Pre, people would STILL make lists detailing how much "better" the iPhone is)

I love how people seriously expect Palm, or any other company for that matter, to:

* not only make a device that so closely follows the iPhone's specs that people would just end up idiotically screaming "they couldn't come up with their own idea! they had to copy Apple!"
* also to instantly have a complete application store that has all the apps currently on Apple's app store plus more.

Cause you know, a platform who's existence has only been known for about 6 months, not to mention only been available for about 2 weeks or so would OBVIOUSLY have more customers, support, and content available than a platform that has been in wide availability for about 2 years. Don't forget, when the iPhone was first released, it also was limited to web-type apps (but even then, apparently, that was the greatest thing since sliced bread as well right?) and the SDK has been available for quite some time too. Palm is still finalizing their SDK.

Looks like AT&T not only subsidizes smugness but blind, unrealistic expectations as well.]]>Jun 18th 2009 12:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 18th 2009 1:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 18th 2009 1:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/
Even though you don't deserve it, as your thick headed skull won't be penetrated and your opinion won't be swayed (like most Apple Fanboys), I'll do what you asked for.

First off, lemme say this: I use both PC and Mac. I have owned an iPhone and used it for quite some time, along with an iPod touch. I learned the ins and outs of the iPhone OS. I use PC's only because I can not afford a Macbook. But I have used Mac OS X extensively through school.

The iPhone is touted as a multimedia device, and is therefore marketed as such. A play thing. Marketed to the masses. 50,000 apps, most of which are games and other widgets that replace things that can be looked up on the web (ie, stocks, twitter, weather, converter, etc.). It's simplicity is also appealing. While I am a Sprint customer, I naturally was drawn to the Pre. And another reason is that it was made to get stuff done (like its child company Nextel's motto). It's multitasking engine, along with the way it gets stuff from the web through synergy (not to mention its keyboard) is made for doing things and maximizing downtime.

Your points on what the Pre doesn't have (when compared to the holy Jesus iPhone):

8 GB memory limit - Didn't the 1st generation iPhone have this as well? This is the 1st Gen Pre.
No true apps - only webapps - Same argument for the 1st Gen iPhone. And there are true apps: Match, Pandora, Nascar, Flixter, GoPayment, Classic, Craigslist, Bank of America, etc.... this is only the beginning.
No voice and data at the same time -This is a CDMA limitation unfortunately. I have never found a need for it anyway while on the road, and while in range of an indoor WiFi network, I can have the same benefits.
No voice dialing - I'm sure that this will come in time in an update. Again, it took iPhone OS 3.0 for it to emerge.
No video recording - Coming soon. See above.
No voice memos - See above.
No movie rentals - This is something you're gonna use like what, once? A phone is to make calls. Again, the Pre is more of a business device, while the iPhone is a multimedia device, and more of a status phone than an actual smartphone.
No visual Voicemail - Not too sure if I miss this a lot from AT&T. Traditional Voicemail is, well traditional. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Also, check out www.youmail.com for Visual Voicemail similar service.
No TV show rentals - look above at movie rentals. The Pre can always stream content from the web.
No audiobook purchasing - um, Amazon store?
No true app store (18 is a joke) - App catalog is in is incipient stages. The App Store has had a year to mature. This is similar to picking on a newborn pretty much.
No console-quality games - Nothing yet. Again, a phone is to make calls. It's nice that the iPhone has this feature, but what happens when you drain your battery playing 'console-quality' games and you can't call 911 in an emergency? Leave the gaming to Sony and Nintendo. Tetris and other simple games are fine for me (take a look at the Top selling games in the App store and tell me how many are 'console-quality').
No Peer to Peer games - Oh yea, cuz I'm totally going to wanna play a stranger on the metro/subway in a game that he might not have. Or a friend. Easy way to get that precious device stolen.
No VoiceOver -I haven't seen proof of this. But I can see this being useful in the car for SMS and email messages. That's a good one if it is indeed true.
No native in-car integration - via the iPod cable? Ok ok. Micro usb (USB in general) is a bigger standard though. As well as BT.
No podcasts - Pre can support and play podcasts.
Crippled copy/paste - For now. Again, it took the iPhone the 3rd iteration - the Pre had functionality out of the box.
No universal search - um, yes there is. Go to the email app, or if not, wait for an OTA update (zing!)
Tiny keyboard - Better than having to look at a screen to type...touch typing ftw.
No auto wi-fi login -Proof of this? Most devices have auto wifi login....
No 7.2 Mbps network speed - AT&T's 3G sucks even compared to my EVDO Rev. A on my MOGUL. This is in CT though, your mileage might vary.
No Remote Wipe - Um, yes there is. Palm Profile supports this
No Find My Phone feature - This is laughable at best.
Can't function as a Remote for the household stereo - How often have you actually used this? Also, I can use VNC or a remote client to control my stereo if possible (logmein.com anyone?)
Weak battery life - Not bad for a multitasking phone with a smaller battery. It will only get better with OTA updates (zing again!)
More expensive than iPhone - Not at all. $199 with new contract, and $449 (correct me on this) no contract.
Very scratchable screen - Take care of your shit. 'Nuff said.
No oleophobic protective screen - Isn't this a repeat? Honestly you're just fishing for 'features' here now.
No real music store - The Pre can use iTunes, WMP, Winamp, Musicmatch, AND drag and drop. Pre=infiniti: iPhone=1
No Voice Commands - Meh. I'll give you that. But probably won't be used much.
No Compass - A MUST HAVE FEATURE (sarcasm)
No multiple and customizable home screens like iPhone - Um, what? Icon wise? The Pre can move icons around too, woohoo...at least we have a background that's not only shown on the lock screen....
No Parental Controls - Cuz your kids are going to be playing with your phone that much.
No Video Editing - Maybe an app for this will come to the Pre soon along with Video recording. Then again, this is crippled on the iPhone too (destructive editing).
No onboard Ringtone Creation - Proof of this on the iPhone? Non-jailbreak please?
No 5 person conference calls - Proof?
No Webclips - WTF is that?]]>Jun 18th 2009 2:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/
I have the 1st gen iPhone still and was waiting for this new one before upgrading, because yes, I like my phone. Yet, the updates here are not that exciting and I really am not seeing anything that blows the earlier models out of the water. The 1st gen phone works fine with all the software updates, and the addition of a compass and a few other little perks just doesn't make the upgrade seem needed. So, in that respect, I am pretty disappointed this time around. I really was hoping for a little more from Apple here. ]]>Jun 18th 2009 11:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 18th 2009 3:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 18th 2009 5:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 25th 2009 11:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 25th 2009 12:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 30th 2009 5:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/
Now just have to wait for it.....

Already sold my touch and HTC Touch Pro for this baby.

Sorry but this phone will dominate all the other phones. The Apple haters will have to continue their wait for the long awaited "iPhone killer" savior of theirs....]]>Jun 17th 2009 1:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/
What's that sound? Oh.. I see.. its just TheLionOfAssalle.]]>Jun 17th 2009 1:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 17th 2009 1:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/> Sorry but this phone will dominate all the other phones.

Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.]]>Jun 17th 2009 1:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 17th 2009 1:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/
It only took the THIRD version of the software to to be......
"a major jump from previous versions of the system software featuring highly sought after features like cut, copy, and paste, stereo Bluetooth, MMS, tethering, video recording, landscape keyboard"
All features that most any user would EXPECT right out of the gate from a smartphone.

Looks like RIM is still ruling them all, and I would expect it to stay that way for a while.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/17/technology/rim_blackberry_preview/index.htm?postversion=2009061710]]>Jun 17th 2009 2:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 20th 2009 2:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/
As a side note this whole Apple vs MS vs Everybody else is silly. Blackberry has just as many devoted fans as apple maybe even more they just don't feel the need to rub their phone in everybody's face. Palm also has a fanbase that is slowly returning most just waiting for the pre or pre like device to be offered on other carriers. If you like apple products that fine do you but stop acting like you superior to everybody else. There will be no Iphone killer just like Iphone will never kill off the blackberry or others and you should hope not competition is what makes better products for us all. ]]>Jun 17th 2009 2:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/
Bold FTW]]>Jun 17th 2009 3:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 17th 2009 4:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 17th 2009 4:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/
It's the ecosystem that Apple has created to allow iPhone to survive and surpass other mobile phone makers. Nokia is currently the only company that designs their phone and own the Symbian OS. Google Android is similar the M$ business model which they develop the OS but they don't design their own hardware.

See if you can find any app store within other cell phones that contain more than 50,0000+ innovative apps. None of the mobile phones on the market even in Japan contain that many software for a single core device especially within 2 years since launch.

Finally, Apple is ahead of the rest of the mobile phone market. Just when every other company is trying hard to copy Apple to create their app store interface, Apple has just released the API for dev to interface their piece of hardware officially without hacking. That means there are almost infinite possibility for iPhone to expand.

I agree that iPhone's hardware isn't that impressive especially the 3MP camera and no flash. It took them 2 years to have all the standard features that other smartphones have but little bit better; however, Apple is very new to the mobile phone market, they are obviously using a totally different strategy to compete to the rest of the handset makers. When other handset makers are concentrating on competing hardware features such as camera, 3D accelerator, music, etc, Apple is thinking beyond that business model and move on to an ecosystem of how to integrate a mobile communication device into every part of our daily lives via apps store and 3rd party hardware interfacing just like a computer. We know that Nokia has tried to do that, but not really successful due to the interface design is too business and geeky even for the N97. Apple has done a great job to capture the market world wide. Many people move from their Razr to iPhone without experiencing any other smartphones. It is the trend that cell phones are not just phones for talking but pocket computers that integrate into every single detail of our lives.]]>Jun 17th 2009 5:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 17th 2009 6:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/
Yep, keep fapping yourself buddy. Doesn't change the fact that RIM completely trounced Apple's smartphone market share in the past year.]]>Jun 17th 2009 6:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/
i ordered a 3gs as my keyboard just friggin' died. ...i hated the last bold (havn't tried the new one, hated typing on the last version but it's still damn FAT for my pocket) and was not happy with omnia hd being symbian. the announcement of the omnia 2 the day after ordering steamed me a bit i have to admit. multitask would be a huge thing for me, but then again, how well does it work? i don't have the experience with newer smartphones but it used to just plain suck anyway. as long as things open and close quickly, i think i will be fine without the multi tasking. i hope.......

secondly, this sucks as this phone is a 2.5, not a 3 release. it just fixes everything that was wrong/missing in the first place. and as i understand it, i'm still losing mms for a while. bullshit. my nokia 3300 "taco phone" used to do this forever and a day ago. ridiculous. i'm no big fan of the jesus phone, but it did the things i wanted in a phone minus the multi tasking. i would however, like to know from any 3g phone owners out there if there is a way to wipe off all text from the back of the phone without marring the shiny back so there is no advertisement of what it is. i hate free advertising and i am no apple dweeb. nor a windows dweeb for that matter. for the first time i may buy a macbook, but that's because of the unibody and the ability to run either OS.

next thing is, apple ordered phones are shipping and on HOLD? my att ordered phone has not changed status since i ordered on monday. getting worried that it may not arrive till after the weekend and like i said, my phone is F@$Ked! any one who pre ordered ATT had a status change on your order yet? thanks.]]>Jun 17th 2009 11:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 18th 2009 12:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/
While RIM may have 55% of the market share and Apple only has 19%, think about how long RIM has been around and how many phones the market. RIM currently has 4 new phones on the market while Apple only has one (now two). Apple only stated sellling phone 3 years ago while RIM has been in the market for 10 years.]]>Jun 19th 2009 1:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 17th 2009 1:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/17/iphone-3g-s-review/Jun 17th 2009 1:14PM