http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/ Engadget Comments for Palm says no webOS SDK till end of Summer http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/Jun 19th 2009 3:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/Jun 19th 2009 3:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
I've played with the phone for a total of about 2 hours in Sprint stores at this point, and the core features of the phone are enough to make it a smart and useful purchase for me. Unlimited everything on the sprint plan, GPS nav, awesome calendar and sync features... that's a pretty good core system if you ask me.

If the phone were simply an operating system and a dialer, then I would see the urgency for 3rd party applications (sort of like Windows Mobile). If people just want to play a bunch of games on their phone, they should be looking at the iPhone or a handheld gaming system.

I think the Pre will succeed with people like me. I'm a huge PC gamer, but I don't need to be playing games every waking minute on every device I own. Plus I want an alternative to the iPhone plan that does the same things (and in some areas does it better), and costs much less to boot.

I don't know how many of "me" there are out there, but I suppose we'll find out when we see how many Pres Palm sells in the first year. ]]>Jun 19th 2009 3:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
Android was an open source project everyone had access to for over 2 years. WebOS was not. Of course Palm couldn't release the SDK when the damn OS wasn't even finished yet.

@Joshua

Did you bother to read Palm's announcement? Because if you did you would have read that Palm is releasing the beta SDK to THOUSANDS of developers in the next couple of weeks. Development for WebOS is hardly coming to a standstill, but I guess according to you, we should all abandon hope and go with OSX or Android.

Again, what a dick.]]>Jun 19th 2009 3:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/Jun 19th 2009 3:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/it took apple forever to release the sdk after the iphone was released into the wild.
an sdk later this summer for the Pre is very reasonable.]]>Jun 19th 2009 3:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
I just want to add that this fascination with Apps ever since Apple released 2.0 OS is ridiculous. Besides games, most apps are just a slightly fancier version of the Web site that already exists. In some cases, like with ESPN, I find the Web site to be a better alternative to the app that compliments it.

Also, the Pre has always had a more business centered approach. It was pretty clear that it wants to grab back the old Palm Pilot crowd, not necessarily the crowd whose first smart phone was the iPhone. These two demographics have two very different sets of needs/wants, and I don't think having a huge SDK available for business apps, is going to kill sales immediately. ]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
The phone is out now, webOS is out now, and it needs software flowing. If you had a Pre, you would know that it's been days and days since a single new app has popped up in the App Catalog. That is disheartening for end-users.]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
It's amazing isnt it?

Their phone of choice had no SDK for a year after it was released, and that was no biggie for them.

But what amounts to a couple of months for the Pre? "no one is going to use it by then! This is the death of the Pre!!!!!"

As much as they like to act so snotty and pretend like all the other phone platforms are supposedly so bad, they seem desperate to smear this one.]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
Sorry for calling you a dick. Twice. However:

You're title is misleading as hell. Palm isn't releasing the SDK PUBLICLY for a couple of months, but they say in THAT VERY SAME STATEMENT YOU QUOTED they are releasing it to THOUSANDS of select developers over the next couple of weeks. The title of your post and encouragement for developers to look elsewhere sounds like you really don't want Palm, the Pre or WebOS to succeed.

Please edit your post to tell the ACTUAL story. Thanks.]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
Last year, Apple had no competition sorta speak. Right now, Palm is facing tough competition between Apple and Android-based phones for developers. Delaying the release of the SDK for 3 months is almost a death sentence for the Palm Pre.

Good luck Palm Pre ...you need it.]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/Jun 19th 2009 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
Um, because Blackberry has brand equity? It's a known and established brand, especially in the enterprise sector? It's called Crackberry for a reason.

The Palm Pre? Not so much.]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
Thank you for editing your story. I don't suppose it would be too much to ask to edit the title, too?

"Palm says no public webOS SDK till end of Summer"

That's a little more accurate. Again, thanks for the edit.]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/Jun 19th 2009 4:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
Oh, wait...

Seriously, people need to calm down. They're releasing a polished SDK by the end of summer and in the meantime they're giving you source code. Meaning you can do much more than web-based apps right now, for free. People are never happy...]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
PALM should of had this SDK out from day one.

]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
Also, you don't think that the instant that SDK is out, someone isn't going to leak it to the outside world? Come on now.]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
What's the point of using a web-based phone like the iPhone in a country like China that has the Great Firewall of China. Government-approved apps only.

And the last time I checked, the iPhone was doing poorly in technology-rich countries like Japan. They're having to give it away free, and even then, people are more willing to buy a feature-centric phone vs. a phone that is a "jack of all trades, master of none". This has been well-documented.]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/Jun 19th 2009 5:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
What break is there to give. Apple had never done a phone, Palm has a long history of phones. While WebOS is new, like iPhone OS X is new the SDKs are quite different in scale. Palm has yet to announce an SDK with rich APIs that tie into the HW, so far they are just HTML5 DB pages using the Apple-funded WebKit. We’re talking about an SDK for making local webpages in HTML, JS and CSS. Not exactly the same thing.

The problem that many have with Palm, myself included, is not how Palm did so well in marketing and developing a media-rich smartphone that targeted the areas that iPhone did not, but how they dropped the ball with a release date right before the well rumoured iPhone announcement. This is especially troubling when they had too many issues to work out, including the lack of an SDK. They would have been better off to release the device a few months on either end of the iPhone announcement and after it was a more complete package. Despite having a much better CPU, GPU, double the RAM of the original iPhone and uses a much lighter, simpler OS it still gets beat in many performance tests because it’s not well optimized.

I want Palm to be contender again, and it annoys me that they are dropping the ball so late in the game. Luckily, I bought stock back in January after the announcement so I’m okay. I’ll probably be selling next week after I get to 14x my investment.


As for your “took forever” comment, Apple announced the SDK was coming in October 2007 and stated a release date of February 2008. They released on March 6th. I don’t think 6 days is really the same delay as Palm’s webcode SDK.]]>Jun 19th 2009 5:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
If they release their SDK 2 days sooner than Apple did (after the release of the iPhone) I don't think saying "but we did it faster than Apple did!!" would appease shareholders.

It just seems so obvious, yet the fanboys are pretending that the only thing that matters is some absurd SDK-release-speed competition.]]>Jun 19th 2009 5:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/Jun 19th 2009 6:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/Jun 19th 2009 7:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/Jun 19th 2009 8:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
Beta developers are usually people who really care and they are THE developers. A lot of them have the beta SDK now.

How many iPhone Apps (outside Apple apps) do you use daily? my GF has iPhone and with 30 apps downloaded, she plays ONE (thats 1) game.

On a side, this is not a battle you can win in 2 months, RIM sold way more phones in Q1 than Apple in US, NOKIA has still 40%+ of all smartphones and is HUGE in Europe ... what can help more than anything else is GSM version
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You're probably right, but you have to realize how susceptible people are to the language of marketing.

"50,000 apps vs. 13 apps."

It doesn't matter how many fart apps there are, people will look at that and assume that the former is a more important device / they are joining a community of people who like it / more = better.

I can't tell you how many people I run into who are iPhone owners that talk about the "app store" like its the 8th wonder of the world, and "apps" like mobile software is something exclusive and new just for Apple users.

Ultimately I don't care -- people should use what they want to use. I'm just saying that people aren't going to be Palm Pre apologists just because the iPhone has been out longer and has had more time to develop. They will buy what sounds and looks more appealing.

How many people have pasted the full "app store" list on Engadget? If the app store becomes synonymous with mobile software, like Google has become with internet search, competitors are in for a lot of trouble. In some cases you don't have to show that your stuff is better than the competition, only make people think its the ONLY stuff. Not one person in my professional or social life to date has heard of the Palm Pre. ]]>Jun 19th 2009 9:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
McDonald's wi-fi (hundreds of thousands)]]>Jun 19th 2009 11:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
Also, could everyone please quit with the 'LACKING BECAUSE OF THE FOLLOWING" copypasta? It was annoying enough the first time.]]>Jun 20th 2009 9:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
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///AMG!!!!]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
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Anyway, judging from your comments in the iPhone threads, I thought you were opposed to trolling and hating?]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
If I were coming here to spam "OMG the iPhone PWNS the Pre," then I would agree with you, but I'm not.

Stop being so freaking sensitive.

]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
As to how many GOOD apps though....

No offense to any supporters of any mobile phone/os/whatever but I happen to own an Iphone and I only have about 3 total pages of apps (including the apple factory installed) apps on my phone because the rest are just plain junk.

In fact, the biggest draw for most people I know isn't the fact that there are over 50,000 apps in the appstore...it almost seems like most of 'em enjoy the search more than the actual app. I guess they just like the IDEA of having a bunch of apps released....even if they wouldn't ever actually use them.]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
Wow...

You mean you actually think that isn't the summary of all of the garbage you've been posting?]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
Look, I've seen the apps available for the Pre and it's not like PALM is going to magically have better apps available for the Pre than what's availabe for the iPhone now. They've got a weather app, Pandora, Fandango, an Associated Press app, a Stock app and a bunch of crappy social networking apps. I mean the quality issues affecting the iPhone App market is indicative of most platforms. 97 percent of anything is usually crap.

So dismissing the iPhone's app market based on that criteria is not going to help your argument. The reality is, people buying a Pre are going to have to WAIT. Why wait when you can have what's available on the iPhone NOW.

]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/Jun 19th 2009 4:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
Representatives at PALM keep comparing the Pre to the iPhone. I mean, Roger McNamee pretty much said that the Pre was going to eat the iPhone for breakfast, so I think it's fair to compare the iPhone to Pre. The reality of the situation is that you can't not mention the Pre without relating it to the iPhone.

]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
Give these guys a break, it took a long time for Apple to get it right too, their SDK is just now starting to be feature complete with the notification API activated --- and that's 24 months after the release of the iPhone!]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
That's a great point, which is why I people should get off Apple's back about a lot of features they were late to develop. I've noticed that a lot of people aren't complaining about the lack of video recording and voice dailing or remote wipe on the Pre in the same way they were complaining about the iPhone. I mean, PALM has been making phones a lot longer than Apple, so they should have all that stuff, right?

I don't read all the Pre articles, but do they even have flash on their web browser yet?

]]>Jun 19th 2009 5:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
Paul, we all know you own iPhone, iPod, iLaptop, AppleTV, iRouter and everything else Apple makes ... I do as well, Apple makes the best products, they care about users, always pay their developers on time, never create dumb policies and always create open source apps only.]]>Jun 19th 2009 8:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
Well, thank you very much. I will always respect your right to voice your opinion. I might not completely read it, but I will respect that right.



]]>Jun 19th 2009 9:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
Your point is well taken, however there are many very good apps in the app store. Even if 90% are absolute crap, they still have many 1,000s more good applications than palm. Free apps are free for a reason. You get what you pay for...

Personally I want the Pre to succeed to pressure Apple to make the iPhone even better and Microsoft as well.

Microsoft and Palm didn't get serious about the usability of their devices until Apple was successful with the iPhone. I've used a Treo - it isn't a fun device to use.

Whether you like Apple or not you have to admit 2 things:
1. The appearance of the iPhone in the market forced the other players to reevaluate their platforms
2. The original iPhone, from a company that has never made a phone, was a hugely successful achievement.

Apple is the company to beat in this area. Yes, nokia, etc sells more units, but Apple makes a much bigger profit per phone, and they have something like $30B in cash with which to pummel the market if they want to.]]>Jun 20th 2009 2:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/Jun 19th 2009 3:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
Oh version 1.0.x software.]]>Jun 19th 2009 3:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
A fanboy, yes but I'm sure there is worse.]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
#1 Pre Owner.

#2 TBC?]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/
judging by your avatar u obviously dont like the pre that much
lol
i agree with you btw]]>Jun 19th 2009 4:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/19/palm-says-no-webos-sdk-till-end-of-summer/Jun 19th 2009 3:33PM