http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/ Engadget Comments for Nanometer wars heat up, Toshiba and Intel enter unofficial race http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/Jun 22nd 2009 10:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/Jun 22nd 2009 10:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/ will you and other people shut up about the EU. unlike the us the eu actually puts consumers before corporations and enforces laws that keeps competition and decreases the chance of monopolies. if the us did this more we wouldn't be getting raped my M$ and cell phone companies charging us exorbitant rates for services.

p.s. im american]]>Jun 22nd 2009 10:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/Jun 22nd 2009 11:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/

Sigh.]]>Jun 22nd 2009 11:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/
you're absolutely crazy if you think the EU doesn't make some weird ass decisions concerning businesses. most notably...microsoft. MS...ships its OS, with IE...and they're evil...apple does the same thing w/ OSD and safari, and things are just peachy. Remember when about 10-15 years ago (i really dont remember when it was) MS was in US courts on the anti-trust charges, and the judge in that case actually found out for himself, that it takes no more than 15 min for even an uninformed computer person to switch from IE to something like netscape?

yeah...i to this day have never understood the EU decision about the anti trust stuff. sure apple marketshare is a hell of a lot less than MS, especially in europe...but what is so damn different about osx beign shipped w/ quicktime and safari by default?]]>Jun 22nd 2009 11:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/
I'm pretty sure it was because one can not uninstall IE from the OS because it was tied into it. So if you didn't like it, you're stuck with it anyway.
Safari? Send it to the trash, and delete, no system crash. Not a blip.]]>Jun 22nd 2009 12:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/
1. You can delete safari.app and finder still works. I mean REALLY delete it.
2. Microsoft doesn't make computers. They make an OS and dictate to computer builders what software they can't install. Apple ships a complete product. And for the love of Dog don't get on the Apple has a monopoly on OS X. It is not the same thing as Windows. at all. Microsoft makes an OS for x86/64 computers and licenses that software to OEMs. Apple builds computers and writes their own OS. Would you argue that Porsche has a monopoly on Porsche 3.6L 6 cylinder engines?

All the EU needed to do was tell Microsoft that EU computer builders will be able to install any additional browsers that they want. Problem solved. The whole no IE thing is stupid. Put the FF/Opera/Whatever icon on the desktop.

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Given Microsoft’s record of abuse it’s not surprising that they’ve been fined billions but that they haven’t been fined billions more. For example, it is very clear that the majority of businesses and consumers do not want Windows Vista. If Microsoft was not a monopoly company they would have been forced to continue selling XP in order to avoid losing market share to their competition. However, since they have no effective competition the have been able to pull XP from sale and force an unwanted operating system on the market - something that would not be possible without a monopoly and which is therefore very illegal. Ridiculously there’s currently only one investigation going on into this and that’s in Russia.

They’ve also gotten away with various other abuses. For about ten years ago ICQ was the dominant messaging software until Microsoft decided to abuse their monopoly by bundling Windows Messenger with Windows. To nobody’s surprise Windows Messenger took over as dominant IM software and Microsoft was able to capture another application market thanks to their monopoly abuse.

Why they haven’t been fined for these clear abuses is beyond me.]]>Jun 22nd 2009 12:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/
Read up on your economics. Start with Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson, or read some of Noble-prize winning works from Friedman. Monopolies can only exist through regulation, such as the EU. No company based on voluntary trade can be accused of being "anti-competitive" -- the only way to be such (and enjoin a monopoly) is through force.

No one is being forced to buy Microsoft products. Most consumers (for better or worse) choose them, that is why most vendors ship with it. Just because Windows is bundled with IE, MSN, et cetera, is not a bad thing -- if it were, people wouldn't BUY Windows. This is why more folks are buying Macs: dissatisfaction with MS (neglecting the trendy hipsters). The system regulates itself.

All the EU and all their so-called "competitive" and "anti-monopoly" trust-busting does is raise the price consumers have to pay for MS products, directly hurting consumers. It additionally says to MS's competitors that they can use the force of government instead of creative improvements and better marketing, thereby decreasing the quality of their software, further hurting consumers.

For the record, I use XP at work, but I much prefer running Linux at home.]]>Jun 22nd 2009 3:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/
at Carlton
are you serious you "the system regulates itself"? were you in a coma for the last eight months with an economic recession due to the lack of banking and trading regulation. and how is the EU making Microsoft products more expensive? when monopolies are allowed to form there services always increase in price because there's no competition example Standard Oil, Intel, etc. in our capitalistic world monopolies are abominations because they can due whatever they want thats why it is important for governments to make sure that they do not abuse the consumer.

lastly whats all this about people CHOOSE to buy Microsoft? they 90% market share all computers other than apples come with them. through apple is becoming popular there are still tons of software that do not wake apple versions of their product. people are forced to use Microsoft for their jobs. also since apple is mainly comprised of high end parts it cost more so if you're a lower class person MS is your only choice (and no you can't say Linux because no OEM bundles Linux with their computer). Microsoft is an monopoly and needs to be regulated properly to ensure that they do not screw over the consumer.

my original post wasn't suppose to be directly targeted about MS i was just saying that the EU isn't evil and what their doing is benefiting consumers. oh and i use ubuntu full time.]]>Jun 22nd 2009 3:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/
If you think that the US economic meltdown was due to a lack of involvement by government, then you really have no idea what you're talking about. Stop listening to the biased media and do some research. You never know what you might find...

Also, with regard to the quality of mac hardware, don't confuse "more expensive" with "higher quality".]]>Jun 22nd 2009 4:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/
Really, it is way worse than you might think. I know most Americans are very ignorant, but here's the hard truth:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=270867650600562607&ei=lc7XSfOKHojiqQLn-LClDA&q=IOUSA

Good job, government of the USA, 9.7 trillion (9,700,000,000,000) US dollars in debt. Good job.]]>Jun 22nd 2009 4:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/@jholl016
the us economic problem was caused due to lack of government regulation.
1) a housing bubble was seen coming over a year before it popped and people were telling Allen green span and other government officials but a) no one wanted to interfere with good times and b) the government lack the powers to diffuse the bubble.

2) the banking industry wall street goes to shit because a) our government allowed these banks to become so big that they posed a systemic risk. and b) the allowance of a bigger and bigger role of subprime loans and other "exotic" investment stratergies.

the housing bubble popping lead to a crap load of default loans making banks loose shit loads of cash leading to a massive credit crunch made it next to impossible for businesses to get loans to finance their business. this lead to business owners firing employees to save cash that leads to a lost productivity of industry leading to a lower GDP. when an economy goes to 2 quarters of lose GDP its called a recession. it's you who needs to do research. read a book, watch Charlie rose and bill moyers, and stop watching fox news and maybe YOU will learn something. ]]>Jun 22nd 2009 5:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/Jun 22nd 2009 11:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/
who do you think was the driving force behind the subprime mortgage craze? the private banks? um, no. that would be the government-run fannie mae and freddie mac. The government's intrusion into the private market is what led to the "exotic" lending practices, and therefore the artificial inflation and subsequent collapse of the housing market.

That's enough for now, though. I better get back to work... I'm sure the government needs more of my money to bail somebody out.]]>Jun 23rd 2009 8:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/Jun 22nd 2009 10:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/Jun 22nd 2009 10:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/
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Maybe intel is trying to come up with a "Your God is not our God commercial", i would certainly love the controversy with that :)
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(I know engadget just overdid it a bit by accident)
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The guys who write Engadget like gadgets, but they're not engineers or physicists. They can write about the latest mobiles, but frequently get lost when it comes to low-level semiconductor advances.

That's not necessarily bad - nobody who expects every technical detail to be correct would look for that information on anything owned by AOL.]]>Jun 22nd 2009 11:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/
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but anyways this is awesome! Less temp, power consumption and more performance]]>Jun 22nd 2009 10:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/]]>Jun 22nd 2009 10:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/Jun 22nd 2009 10:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/Jun 22nd 2009 11:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/The decreasing size is also actually beneficial.
So, the comparison to the megapixel wars paints it in a rather unkind and mis-informative light.
This is not technology for the sake of marketing hype, even if it means a less capable product ala those megapixel wars.
This is the most impressive building technology on the planet being taken a step further and moving us toward true ubiquitous computing.
Even more profound, perhaps. The manufacturing technologies might open doors for nano-mechanical products which will revolutionize the way humans live.
Sounds over the top, I know.
But so is this capability.
I remember when they were talking about going to 60nm, I think. The size of the field gate at that scale was something like 6 atoms wide.
Now they are talking 28nm and beyond.
These very small sizes are why size does become a factor and different materials are necessary or no longer necessary.


It is truely awesome stuff, in the full sense of the word.

- mike]]>Jun 22nd 2009 11:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/
I say 2015. 100pm FTW :)]]>Jun 22nd 2009 12:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/Jun 22nd 2009 2:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/Jun 22nd 2009 1:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/Jun 22nd 2009 1:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/Jun 22nd 2009 2:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/
http://www.dailytech.com/Intel+Replaces+Havendale+and+Auburndale+With+32nm+Die+Shrinks/article14225.htm]]>Jun 22nd 2009 1:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.eetimes.eu/218000009

I wonder.. :).]]>Jun 22nd 2009 2:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/Jun 22nd 2009 2:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/ are you serious you "the system regulates itself"? were you in a coma for the last eight months with an economic recession due to the lack of banking and trading regulation. and how is the EU making Microsoft products more expensive? when monopolies are allowed to form there services always increase in price because there's no competition example Standard Oil, Intel, etc. in our capitalistic world monopolies are abominations because they can due whatever they want thats why it is important for governments to make sure that they do not abuse the consumer.

lastly whats all this about people CHOOSE to buy Microsoft? they 90% market share all computers other than apples come with them. through apple is becoming popular there are still tons of software that do not wake apple versions of their product. people are forced to use Microsoft for their jobs. also since apple is mainly comprised of high end parts it cost more so if you're a lower class person MS is your only choice (and no you can't say Linux because no OEM bundles Linux with their computer). Microsoft is an monopoly and needs to be regulated properly to ensure that they do not screw over the consumer.

my original post wasn't suppose to be directly targeted about MS i was just saying that the EU isn't evil and what their doing is benefiting consumers. oh and i use ubuntu full time. ]]>Jun 22nd 2009 3:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/Jun 22nd 2009 6:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nanometer-wars-heat-up-toshiba-and-intel-enter-unofficial-race/Jun 22nd 2009 9:09PM