http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/ Engadget Comments for Samsung's 12 megapixel M8910 Pixon12 cellphone tries to make your camera obsolete http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 7:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 7:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/
And as long as carriers going to subsidize cellphone prices, they are going to be stuffed with more and more nice-to-have type of things.]]>Jun 26th 2009 7:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 7:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 7:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 7:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/
Nobody needs 12MP in a cellphone cam, no one is going to take a crappy cellphone photo and blow it up to a 300dpi A4 sized print. Even the ~$4k Canon 1D MarkIII which is a professional action/sports camera is only 10MP. More megapixels is only more resolution, not better image quality. ]]>Jun 26th 2009 8:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 8:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/
5 MP is enough]]>Jun 26th 2009 7:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 7:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 8:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/
The only thing that bothers me about 12 MP photos is that they are 4000 pixels wide, who the hell needs that?]]>Jun 26th 2009 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 1:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/
So you have the lens the size of a pea on the phone, an any lens you want at big sizes on a DSLR!]]>Jun 26th 2009 7:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/
I wouldn't doubt for a second that this could take pictures that are just as clear and crisp to the naked eye as any high level DSLR.
Most times, we cant tell the difference between our shots, using our Oly EVolt500, or the cybershot. And as soon as low light is added, the cybershot wins. ]]>Jun 26th 2009 12:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/
Seriously, you couldn't be more wrong. dSLRs, or perhaps more properly, interchangeable lens cameras, which would include the micro four thirds cameras which are not SLRs, are not losing any ground to compact camera. If anything, the falling prices on the entry level dSLRs is attracting new photographers. Yes, today's compact cameras can take some very good pictures in the right circumstances. But if you want to do anything beyond casual snapshots, then a higher end camera is required. Try taking good photos at any sporting event with a compact camera vs a dSLR with a good lens, or a long exposure picture at twilight and you'll understand. There is a lot more than megapixels to good photography.

But I can see decent phone cameras squeezing out low end compacts for the always in your pocket crowd.
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Here's a news flash... You can take 3mp pixels with a 12mp camera (and most likely they will look better than 3mp pictures from a 3mp camera).

This camera will literally do the duty of both of your devices, and yet you choose to argue against it based on a problem that you pulled out of your rear.]]>Jun 26th 2009 5:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://pic.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/samsung-m8910-pixon12-first-shot/camera/street/crop1.jpg

Looks like they smeared vaseline over the lens for the 350D shot.]]>Jun 26th 2009 7:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 7:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/
Even so, just with a single glance you can tell that the 350D looks hugely better in that shot, soft or not. Just look at the sky, for instance - the Samsung shot has a horrific halo and no colour detail. The Canon has a reasonable edge and you can see the clouds.

Then, just look at the noise on the Samsung image (buildings on left)! Wow, that's awful.

Basically there is lots of fake postprocessing making the Samsung image look sharper, but in general (maybe excepting the edges like this one, but I'm not sure about that) the 350D image probably contains more detail. The one with a sign is pretty clear on that. If there are options to reduce sharpening on the Samsung, this might improve image appearance, but won't increase detail.

Don't get me wrong I'm sure this is great for a small camera that has a mobile phone stuck on (and it is pretty stupid to compare it to a DSLR in the first place), but, um, yes, a cheap five-year-old DSLR remains hugely better. Then again, it won't fit in your pocket or take calls - you win some, you lose some.]]>Jun 26th 2009 7:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 8:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 7:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 7:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 7:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/THIS is the reason why there is no more Kodachrome. What will you do?]]>Jun 30th 2009 8:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 7:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 7:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 8:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 8:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 8:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 9:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 1:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/]]>Jun 26th 2009 8:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 8:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/Jun 26th 2009 8:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/
Megapixels are nice but even for 12 megapixels I'll try to look at the bigger picture. Software is what makes a phone these days because the thats what makes it usable. Look at the iPhone, crappy camera but sells like hell. The Pre is my favourite for its web integration. Other than taking photos, can this phone do much with the pics?]]>Jun 26th 2009 8:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/
Although I still want to see someone somewhere explain why cellphones need cameras in the first place.
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Some pictures form the memoir (click on "All sizes" for original):
- http://www.flickr.com/photos/tnkgrl/3342037647/
- http://www.flickr.com/photos/tnkgrl/3431322738/
- http://www.flickr.com/photos/tnkgrl/3487212469/]]>Jun 26th 2009 12:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.flickr.com/photos/tnkgrl/3342037647/sizes/l/]]>Jun 26th 2009 12:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/
But they do show the the idiocy of Megapixel war. If you look at the apple(?) flower picture at biggest magnification you should see tiny hairs on the flowers but tere isn't any. In fact with max magnification the picture looks a bit out of focus. That is because the lens in the camera isn't good enough, and you can't make very good tiny lens.

Poked around flicr for a comparison and found these taken with a low end dslr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuntbear/3135591344/

Notice the hairs on plant? Or

http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuntbear/3125375914/sizes/o/

you can see even some of the pollen.

The 12MP camera on phone is only bamboozling the customer. No way a lens that small can give sharp enough picture for 12MP. ]]>Jun 26th 2009 10:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/
the day a cell phone can take pictures like this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/risingsunset7890/3566038928/sizes/l/in/set-72157618806947422/
i will eat my own D80

that said, i still think cell phone cameras should be used for quick snap opportunities, fast to capture, small enough image files for easy transfer. Really if they can make the clarity of the picture better, thats worth more then a 100 megapixels]]>Jun 26th 2009 12:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.flickr.com/photos/tnkgrl/3342037647/sizes/l/

Damn comment system :)]]>Jun 26th 2009 12:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/26/samsungs-12-megapixel-m8910-pixion12-cellphone-tries-to-make-yo/]]>Jun 26th 2009 1:06PM