http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/ Engadget Comments for CE-Oh no he didn't! Part LXI: Acer chief says Japanese PC companies "the weakest today" http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 8:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 9:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 10:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
Too many people are being fooled into thinking a netbook will serve them as well as a notebook and are likely unsatisfied with the resulting product.]]>Jul 7th 2009 10:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
Acer themselves are an example, in 2008 they sold more computers, Income was up 39%, but they made less money; profits were down 23%. They are selling more, and making less. That's a horrible trend. Netbooks price are going to continue to fall, and Microsoft is going to charge significantly more for Windows 7 over XP, profits are going to be squeezed even further from PC makers. ]]>Jul 8th 2009 1:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
Really? Even though my desktop is rocking a quad core with 8 gigs of ram and a couple terabytes of storage in a raid array, I find that my Samsung NC10 suits me perfectly in class and on long business trips. It is light weight, easy to carry, and the 7+ hour battery life blows the crap out of dual core centrino based laptop it replaced. I wouldn't want to encode HD video on the thing, but I can play it back without so much as a stutter, which is very handy on those long flights.

As you can see, I'm the definition of a power user, and the standard netbook works for me exceptionally well. While I wouldn't recommend the 10.1 inch screen to someone who had poor eyesight, the fact that I can respond to your post while waiting for my connecting flight in the C concourse of SeaTac is proof positive that this is a very usable platform. ]]>Jul 8th 2009 3:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
LOL... how are you the definition of a power user? You take a netbook on a flight and watch a movie? Wow... total power user.

And iphonerulez is absolutely right on the money. Netbooks have no place, except in landfills and third-world countries, as it sounds to me that your only complaint is battery life. If all notebooks had 7+ hours (ala MBP), netbooks wouldn't anywhere. They are nothing more than gateways to the net and word processors. Just another system to micromanage your workflow. Sony had it right, but the idiot masses ultimately have the money and ergo, the power. You know, the same idiots that walk into Best Buy looking for an Intel CoreDual with a hardrive to store at least 400,000 pictures (or 200,000 songs)...

Netbooks are far too specialized to be worth anything. ]]>Jul 8th 2009 4:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/]]>Jul 8th 2009 9:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 8:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 8:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 9:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 9:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
Honestly, the Japanese PC makers are WAAAAY too dependent on the Japanese market for their sales (where they GOUGE the hell out of consumers), and don't focus as much on competing effectively with HP/Dell/Acer, probably again because of the lack of inroads that those companies have made into the Japanese market. That said, I can't imagine them consolidating because of their other business.

As for the other two companies, Lenovo doesn't sell in big box stores, and Asus is just starting to break into the U.S market with the eee pc. It would make sense that they would be weaker players in the notebook/desktop space and need some consolidation to become stronger.]]>Jul 7th 2009 10:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 11:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
Japan makes great WinTel boxes, some of my earliest computers were from companies like Sharp and Toshiba. The Japanese have an eye for quality that Acer and friends are clueless on, the only American main player that has a clue is Apple. (Main player is the key word there, there are some boutique shops that still release excellence)

Sony VAIO's are excellent, with great software suites and top engineering. My previous dream unit was a Sony CLIE NZ90, it's battery still goes like a champ, not a glitch and its feature set is on par with the iPhone but it came out in late 2001, 6 years before the iPhone.]]>Jul 7th 2009 11:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 8:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 8:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 9:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/

...ASer!


...or maybe AcUS.]]>Jul 7th 2009 11:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 11:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 8:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 9:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
do you think HP/Dell Notebooks are US designed?

they all are designed and made by the Taiwanese or Korean ODMs...

Wistron, Inventec, Arima, LG, Samsung....

Wake up...]]>Jul 7th 2009 10:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
Yes, HPs are US designed. I happen to have met many of the people who do design work; for example, workstations are designed in Fort Collins, CO.

Now, is there significant ODM involvement? Yes. Whether it's Asustek, Tyan, Quanta, Compal, or someone else, it's the ODM that produces the first PCB revisions and handles the manufacturing.

But to say that there isn't a lot of design work involved is just false. The BIOS is done in-house at HP, major changes to the PCB are requested so that the product meets specs, the chassis is designed largely at HP, as are many of the features.

Go buy a generic Compal laptop. I've owned two. Then go buy an HP. You'll notice that shit that Compal gets wrong (like proper ACPI tables) works correctly on the HP. You'll notice that you can get parts for the HP. You'll notice that the HP is easier to service. You'll notice that the HP looks better.

There's a big difference between an ODM doing design work under contract and an ODM trying to do everything on their own. That's the difference that a company like HP makes.]]>Jul 7th 2009 11:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/If I wasn't using a Macbook, I'd get a Toshi or an Asus, or Sony if they set the price reasonably (which their latest $800 laptop has, keep it up, Sony).
I just don't trust Acer, it's an inferior brand in my mind, and that's all that I need to know.]]>Jul 7th 2009 9:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 9:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
However, the Hyundai Genesis is a very nice car.]]>Jul 8th 2009 7:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 9:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 9:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 10:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 9:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
Man it really feels 1992 in here .

]]>Jul 7th 2009 9:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
Why use an miniture laptop when you can have an ipod touch that does virtually everything in a package that fits in your pocket. Netbooks are silly.]]>Jul 7th 2009 9:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 9:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
Note-taking in class is the main thing I use my netbook for... an iPod touch simply couldn't keep up, and electronic notes are more convenient than written notes.]]>Jul 7th 2009 9:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
netbooks are totally pointless.]]>Jul 7th 2009 10:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
Netbooks are definitely attractive for note taking in class, and an actual PC is good enough for gaming.]]>Jul 7th 2009 10:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
In fact, I'd argue that the average consumer doesn't need anything better than a netbook. I know plenty of people who use their laptops exclusively for browsing the internet. Are you saying that these people should instead buy an overpowered $2000 laptop? There's obviously a (quite large) market for netbooks, so your assertions of them being "silly" and "pointless" better represent your comments than the netbook market in general.]]>Jul 7th 2009 10:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 7th 2009 10:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/10kGold for 76usd !
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Though I like some of the Toshibas and Sonys, to me, it's a gamble to own a machine like that since I may get stuck with something that has terrible support.]]>Jul 7th 2009 11:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/Jul 8th 2009 12:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
I can't believe he's got the nerve to say something like this.]]>Jul 8th 2009 12:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
But for me, only Thinkpad. I will settle for nothing less. ]]>Jul 8th 2009 12:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
As for Sony, I think they're fine, good build quality and anyone I know who has one has only had minor problems if any, but, they're overpriced. Toshiba is a great company, their laptops also have excellent build quality and design and aren't too pricey either.

But, for the owner of the shitiest set of companies, he should really realize that he's just an asshole. Acer is pathetic, Gateway is just as bad with desktops but their laptops can be a bit better, and eMachines? God no. Pure junk.

The only reason why Acer makes money is because they specialize in cheapness. In a year or two I expect their numbers to go down when people need to replace their crap from Acer, and don't want to go through the same hassle.

As for netbooks? Pointless. Sony is right, people will start to notice that they have no use in buying a netbook and think about upgrading. They are purely for internet usage and nothing else. I don't think everyone should get a crazy $2000 laptop, but a netbook is just never worth it. Save up a bit more and get a midrange laptop so you don't need to replace it and you can use it for more than just surfing the internet. Lets not forget, even the CEO of Intel said that netbooks are just for an hour of use and after that you wont need it.]]>Jul 8th 2009 12:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
furthermore acer shouldn't compare themselves against sony, because sony very obviously operates in a niche segment of the market that acer simply doesn't compete in]]>Jul 8th 2009 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/07/ce-oh-no-he-didn-t-part-lxi-acer-chief-says-japanese-pc-compan/
As for netbooks: I don't know how netbooks could possibly convince the japanese consumer, as their cellphones practically do everything a netbook can--and they're smaller, and more customizable. Hell, just passing your cellphone through a sensor pays for your subway ticket! When a netbook can do that, that's when the Japanese will buy one!]]>Jul 8th 2009 8:35AM