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Josh, I hope you're reading this comment:

This editorial could naturally evolve into a very useful engadget featurette: comparison of the top feature/smartphones in terms of multitasking / work capabilities.

iPhone, Pre, Googlephone, Blackberry, etc...

Think about it -- I'd be very interesting in reading how that works for you. ]]>Jul 10th 2009 3:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
Compare each phone with what you do in the real-world as an Engadget editor on-the-go. I've read enough marketing materials to make my head explode, its hard to tell which phones actually can offer a better work experience without some sort of narrative. ]]>Jul 10th 2009 3:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/Jul 10th 2009 3:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
As far as using the "virtual keyboard" I think it is great. I find it easier to type on than a device with a physical keyboard that needs the added (if only super miniscule) pressure to press a letter.

Oh, and when the slide out keyboard on my old HTC started sliding out on its own, that was a pain in the ass to get replaced.

Now on a side note, as the editor (let alone CHIEF editor) of a technology blog, why aren't you jailbreaking your iphone and solving your multitasking problem with Backgrounder? I understand it's the principal of the matter, but like you said, you need to get stuff done so do what you have to do to make it happen and quit bitching.]]>Jul 10th 2009 3:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/Jul 10th 2009 3:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
Perhaps if you actually own or use the devices that you support or slam based simply upon what corporate logo is on the device, you would be able to intelligently debate the pros/cons of those devices.]]>Jul 10th 2009 3:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/Jul 10th 2009 3:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/thats what they said about bluetooth synching to other peripherals
thats what they said about... 3g connectivity.
a lot of stupid excuses for things that should have been on the phone but still hasnt. still missing features that other smart phones already have on the market.

im gonna stick to my blackberry. till something better comes along.
]]>Jul 10th 2009 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/Does it hurt having your head that far up your own ass???]]>Jul 10th 2009 4:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/Jul 10th 2009 4:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
"A phone should never be the first and only device you use if you want to do business on the run."

Try "None of the current generation of smart phones should be the first and only device..."]]>Jul 10th 2009 4:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/Jul 10th 2009 4:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
At this point, its like having a discussion with a creepy uncle who felt you up for 10 years when you were a kid. Yeah, he might be right about the sky being blue, but you don't really want to talk to him. ]]>Jul 10th 2009 4:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/Jul 10th 2009 4:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
I don't think it's that Apple doesn't realize how important the concept is, just that it's not a dealbreaker for most iPhone users and if Apple included it, a lot of users wouldn't know how to use it and would end up complaining about poor battery life and returning the phone. I think at the end of the day Apple would rather have their device look amazing to most of its users than satisfy the few that really need multitasking.]]>Jul 10th 2009 4:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
I like all of the non-business apps in the App Store like Chibi Chaingun comic (www.blackhivemedia.com) and cool games like Low Grav Racer. I don't buy any enterprise apps at all, though I heard BeeJive is a great app for IM.]]>Jul 10th 2009 4:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
Whilst I may not always agree with what you say, you do present a a logical argument mostly for it.

However, this one time I think you may have missed the mark. I, and I suspect many others actually do want to see the day when I can get a lot of my work done on a phone (mobile computer). I really would like to be able to review doc.s, make quick edits and conduct business (keep things moving along) via a truly portable, mobile device.

I agree, that big things should be handled by larger devices, like a computer, but in a mobile world, you need to have access to many things any time to 'keep things moving along'.... like Josh seems to be trying.]]>Jul 10th 2009 4:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
Paul, I asked you a question to begin a discussion. A question to find out why in some of your posts you claim that the iPhone has multitasking, but here you are saying it does not. But rather than answering the question to start a discussion, you ignore it, and then attack others. Apparently you are not here for a discussion as you claim.]]>Jul 10th 2009 4:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/Jul 10th 2009 4:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
Do you think Apple has tried to persuade Microsoft to bring office to the iPhone? No. I mean seriously, do you not think Microsoft knows the iPhone is the phone for people who don't know better and want the flashiest thing? Microsoft knows to go after the biggest market. They know if Apple releases iWork for it that it might get people wanting it on their computers instead of office.

Seriously, there is Office for Mac. Who do you think makes it? Oh wait, it's Microsoft. If Microsoft was really trying to screw Apple users over do you think they would make version after version of Office for Mac, No. Why would Microsoft have a problem having office on Macs and not a mobile phone? Do you think if Microsoft made it a free app for the app store that Apple would allow it?

Stop wasting my air Paul.]]>Jul 10th 2009 4:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/Jul 10th 2009 4:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
going from windows mobile to blackberry to, now, S60 i dont think i could ever fully appreciate the iphone. i couldnt when at&t paid me to sell it and i still cant seem to understand the lack of functionality.

its a great toy, dont get me wrong...but i cant rely on toys for everything (unless i owned hasbro or something)]]>Jul 10th 2009 4:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
I know you are real Santa!]]>Jul 10th 2009 4:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
Actually I said you may have missed the mark.

I wasn't quoting anyone, but simply stating an opinion.

I wasn't actually having a go at you, like everyone seems to do here, but just trying to say that buying a PC to do work is a very 20th century concept, in my opinion and that doing more 'keep business moving' type activities are expected to be done on a phone.

I happen to agree with Josh's opinion on the keyboard and multitasking and that I think more and more people will want this from their mobile devices int he future. What Apple has now is a very successful, but niche product and all the power to them. But for those folks that want a serious work tool (as you have agreed this is not) then what Josh is asking for seems logical.

]]>Jul 10th 2009 5:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/Jul 10th 2009 5:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
Now when they point out something negative, everyone is confused and can't comprehend what is happening.


P.S.:

@EVERYONE TALKING ABOUT PAUL

STOP FEEDING THE TROLL AND IT WILL GO AWAY. IT DOESN'T NEED TO FEED OFF OF ENGADGET'S COMMENTS 24/7.]]>Jul 10th 2009 5:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
As far as the email "problem", I find that if you are running on an exchange server with multiple push folders and such that email is actually a nicer experience then on winmo (getting a nice buzz on subfolders, my god that feels good), though still not as good as BB (with a BES). Overall, the iPhone does have a pretty good email client, so long as you use a Microsoft backend product (I find this extremely funny, all things considering). Sounds like other email solutions might not be done in a very friendly manner, but I personally haven't experienced most of them, so I can't speak to it.

I also think as much as Paul might shill for Apple way too much to be taken seriously most of the time, his first post on this article was pretty well reasoned. I know that some people don't like to hear "Take a laptop with you if you want to do everything involved in your work." but often times, that really is the best solution.

Anyway, for many people's purposes, this phone does all it needs to, but I do agree that it could do so much more, and hardware-wise it's built for it.]]>Jul 10th 2009 5:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
Sisyphus: "This editorial could naturally evolve into a very useful engadget featurette: comparison of the top feature/smartphones in terms of multitasking / work capabilities."

I completely agree with Sisyphus' sentiment. Josh, if you publish articles like this in the future, ones where practical usage of these phones were called into question, they would be exactly what I and many others are looking for in terms of a "product review". I want to know how these phones act in various usage situations. That's essentially getting to the core of owning one of these things!

-An avid reader
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To wit, Nohone's first question "Paul, you have told us over and over again that the iPhone is wonderful because it does multitasking. Now you are sayng that the iPhone needs multitasking, at least as an option for 3rd party apps. So which is it, it does or does not have multitasking?"

No response from Paul for about a half hour (but several other posts from Paul)

Nohone follow up "But rather than answering the question to start a discussion, you ignore it, and then attack others. Apparently you are not here for a discussion as you claim."

I tend to agree with Nohone. If you really want to have a discussion, please answer his question. I've been wondering the same thing for awhile how everyone else can say "iPhone has no multitasking" but you practically shouted them down saying "iPhone does too have multitasking." Which is it?]]>Jul 10th 2009 5:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
Multi-tasking IMO is an absolute must-have on any decent smartphone in this day and age. iPhone is a powerful device and I have no doubt it can handle multi-tasking well. As far as batter life with multi-tasking goes, Apple can easily add an option on General Settings page to turn multi-tasking ON/OFF. Oh and while you are at it (AND IF YOU ARE EVER AT IT APPLE), please also let me select how many simultaneous apps I want turned on. If I want to drain my battery in 1 hour by opening 6 simultaneous apps, so be it but let ME be the judge.

Virtual keyboard is not a big deal-breaker for me at all and like some have said here, you can get used to it although even after a year of typing on virtual keyboard, I still don't feel I am that fast typer.]]>Jul 10th 2009 5:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
anyway, i thought this was a great article. apple trolls (and poor defenseless consumers vulnerable to Apple's brainwashing ads) need to understand that their "jesus phone" has weaknesses just like any other phone (for WM it is obviously the UI).

also, i expect to see less claims of bias and anti-MS snark from commenters after this.]]>Jul 10th 2009 5:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/Jul 10th 2009 5:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
Second, Nohone's comments was directly related to the article. The article talked about multitasking repeatedly. How is his question to you any less relevant than some of your comments, including the following gems from this article:

"And the iPhone doesn't have a touch screen per se, because a touch screen device usually implies one touch resistive screen devices. The iPhone has a capacitive screen and is multi-touch" (I don't recall anything in the article about the technology behind the iPhone's touchscreen, just about a touchscreen keyboard, capacitive or otherwise)

"No, that was the sound of all the Apple Haters getting a collective hard on. Negative iPhone stories do it every time, but then Apple still goes on to sell a bazillion units." (I don't know how the erectness or flacidity of people's penises have to do with anything... and moreover, what are you so fascinated with so much cock? Also, bazillion isn't a word.)

"I turn it around and totally PWN the douche nuggets responding to it, and the Haters get so mad that they bury the ownage. I FREAKING LOVE IT." (That doesn't sound like someone who is just trying to have an honest discussion to me)

Have fun trolling your way out of this one.]]>Jul 10th 2009 5:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
You don't think calling someone a "douche nugget" is calling people names?

Well then, you are a huge douche nugget.]]>Jul 10th 2009 5:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/Jul 10th 2009 5:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
It just doesn't have enough RAM to run more than a few 3rd party apps at a time before it starts killing off the apps that have a lower priority than the 1st party ones.


The battery life excuse is nonsense.

3GS should be able to handle multi-tasking much better with 256MB


either way, i have all my music apps background enabled so i never have to quit out if I get a text or an email.]]>Jul 10th 2009 5:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
Paul, if you truly feel like I am stalking you, I suggest that you press that ! button next to my posts. After all, Engadget has policies about that, and I would immediately be banned. So back up that argument - after all, you only use "facts" and "proof". Yes, I have admitted to using Google to search for you, but only on the Engadget site (site:Engadget.com), and I only do that to look up your contradictory statements you have made, and because you keep your post history private (ashamed of what you have written?). As for you saying you refuse to talk to me because I have searched, you have responded to my posts many times even after you have objected to it, so that is another contradictory statement - you don't respond to me because you think I am stalking you, but yet you reply to me quite often. Do you want discussion or not?

As for calling me a psycho, prove it, or I will consider that slander.]]>Jul 10th 2009 5:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/Jul 10th 2009 5:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
I was ignoring them, because responding served no purpose... I only mentioned your insults to show your hypocrisy. Don't claim you do not insult people when you call them "douche nuggets." Regardless of whether they insulted you, be a man and ignore it.

"I should just let people insult me without responding."

Yes, it's called turning the other cheek. You've said before you are a christian, so you should have heard of this. At the very least, show that you are an adult. I repeat, be a man, not a little child.]]>Jul 10th 2009 6:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
Sorry mate, I give up.

I haven't taken offense. I was trying to have a rational discussion with you.

You just seem to be angry at all the attacks and don't seem to be rationally reading all the comments.

Any way, all the power to you.

Have a good weekend :-)

Peace.]]>Jul 10th 2009 6:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/Jul 10th 2009 6:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/Jul 10th 2009 7:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
The Blackberry will let me copy/paste EASILY, make notes while in a call easily, look stuff up quickly, and really move from task to tack quickly and without hassle.

I would love the iPhone with multitasking and a physical keyboard. Maybe I should get a Pre. ]]>Jul 10th 2009 7:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/Jul 10th 2009 10:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
That Paul / Steve Jobs (Santa Claus'sh) post was just fkn gold!

Thanks for the laughs!]]>Jul 10th 2009 11:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
Actually, I have re-read your comments from this post and they don't really seem that troll-ish. However, it seems that they contradict many of your other comments made on this site.]]>Jul 11th 2009 12:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/
This is not 4chan!]]>Jul 11th 2009 10:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/ 1.]]>Jul 11th 2009 10:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/10/editorial-taking-the-iphone-3gs-off-the-job-market/Jul 11th 2009 2:55PM