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Comments on Microsoft's "Gazelle" browser detailed -- it's more of a research project

Chas Underwood III — Jul 17th 2009 7:06AM

I love that Google is sparking so much innovation and renewed competition throughout every aspect of computing. Way to go Google...just don't be evil!

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sircastor — Jul 10th 2009 5:01PM

Agreed. I love that Google can make Microsoft squirm and encourage them to innovate and work to keep their customers.

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AnnoyingPoster — Jul 10th 2009 5:16PM

not likely, this paper was a while ago, and the chrome os was only released a few days ago. the news from the chrome os lead to people digging up papers from microsoft. neither influenced each other because they were somewhat done in secrecy, but its interesting to see how great minds think alike.

good stuff, im interested in the security aspects of this research.

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kkl1014 — Jul 10th 2009 5:16PM

I agree. Google's shaping up to be the competitor to Microsoft that Apple never could be.

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Beastage — Jul 10th 2009 6:23PM

Not even close, Gazelle been in development/research for months now, Chrome OS is 1y away, MS don't feel the need like Apple and Google to run to the press with every little project.

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WixosTrix — Jul 10th 2009 9:15PM

I agree with Chas.

Even if this project was in research before Chrome OS, Google still has influenced Microsoft to step up and innovate more effeciently, at least, just as Apple, Mozilla, etc. has done. Microsoft didn't have any strong competition for a while so they kinda sat on their asses, somewhat. Competition benefits the consumer so I'm happy about this and find it interesting who can gain and maintain marketshare.

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Warren — Jul 10th 2009 4:50PM

If it eliminates security warnings and other annoying bubbles that pop up at the bottom right of the screen - then its a step in the right direction I think.

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Clyde Berry — Jul 10th 2009 5:55PM

But those bubbles aren't really a bad thing. I kind of like knowing exactly what is allowed on what isn't on my computer.

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Ryan Trevisol — Jul 10th 2009 5:57PM

In a logical world, I think it would reduce the number of security dialogs, but in Microsoft's world, it will actually lead to exponentially more . . . .

"Element online 369 wants to execute an ActiveX control that could be potentally unsafe. Allow or Deny?"

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Ryan Trevisol — Jul 10th 2009 5:58PM

There was a < div > html tag in that post. . . .

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M. — Jul 10th 2009 4:52PM

I'm sorry for going so offtopic but no podcast today?

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Terry — Jul 10th 2009 5:53PM

Since we're already off topic:

I can't get any images at all from Engadget (and HD, and Joystiq) from since about 2 days ago. I thought it would pass, but it's still as persistent as ever... Is it just me, or did AOL forget to pay the bill this month? What's the deal?

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bondsbw — Jul 12th 2009 3:43PM

Engadget could really use a forum... I know there's a Contact Us form, but that doesn't quite cut it IMHO.

And Engadget needs a better commenting system... this comment system is incredibly outdated, and doesn't offer a way to reply to a specific reply, or a way to choose more/less than 50 comments per page, and I have no idea if it supports HTML or BBCode or what.

Which brings me to my next complaint... it doesn't support preview. So since I'm already so incredibly off-topic, I guess I'll test HTML/BBCode now... maybe it'll be useful for more than just me:

HTML: Bold Italics Underlined Strikethrough Url Monospaced Large Red
BBCode: [b]Bold[/b] [i]Italics[/i] [u]Underlined[/u] [s]Strikethrough[/s] [url=http://engadget.com]Url[/url] [code]Monospaced[/code] [size=15]Large[/size] [color=#FF0000]Red[/color]

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bondsbw — Jul 12th 2009 3:44PM

That answers my question... HTML strips tags and displays the text, no BBCode support whatsoever, and URLs are automatically linked.

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Lando Calrissian — Jul 10th 2009 4:53PM

I've touched the light post in that picture.

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Jay Voorhees — Jul 10th 2009 4:57PM

not as much as that light post touched you....

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Uncontrol — Jul 10th 2009 5:06PM

"and the rendering engine is still IE's Trident engine,"

pass

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edoles — Jul 10th 2009 5:09PM

"Warning: PDF"..... wtf? Should I be afraid of the rest of the PDFs on my hard drive?

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GingerFox — Jul 10th 2009 5:14PM

Yeah, dint you hear? Those formats are going to be responsible for the world ending in 2012 if theres enough of them, delete them while you have the chance!

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wyatt — Jul 10th 2009 5:22PM

that's funny, i was just going to make a post thanking engadget for giving this warning.

and also to give Nilay props for mostly avoiding the usual tone taken with posts about this company.

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I hate mingers — Jul 10th 2009 6:34PM

A pedo where?

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UnixSystemsEngineer — Jul 10th 2009 5:09PM

MSR does some great work, it's where many of the truly bright minds are.

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qwack — Jul 10th 2009 5:22PM

Fanboy.

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UnixSystemsEngineer — Jul 10th 2009 5:26PM

Quack.

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Ed T — Jul 10th 2009 7:19PM

You mean it's where great minds go to die. Redmond spends 10X more on "R&D" than any of its competitors and it has squat to show for it. After they fire Ballmer, the board of directors should just turn off the electricity in the R&D buildings. Eventually all the geniuses there would get the message and leave to work somewhere else. Who knows, they might even come up with something useful.

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John — Jul 10th 2009 10:32PM

MS R&D is amazing - just because you have no idea about the research projects that MS has done AND are too stupid to put two and two together regarding the Xbox (what a failure that was, right?) doesn't mean that they don't do anything. Microsoft has tons of internal projects in R&D and most of them (like Gazelle) are not supposed to be for commercial release - it's taking an idea as far as it can possibly be taken and then seeing what works and what doesn't.

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William — Jul 10th 2009 5:14PM

even Norton warns me about opening Internet Explorer...

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AnnoyingPoster — Jul 10th 2009 5:17PM

yes but avg warns me of opening norton, so what does that tell you.

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E C S Sucks — Jul 10th 2009 5:19PM

You are moaning about IE but you use Norton?

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Luis Dias — Jul 10th 2009 5:18PM

Well, I'd say Project Natal impressed me. All the XBox venture almost seems un-MS-ish to me, because it's working fairly well and with big competition. So despite the fact that this is obviously just a "me-too" whining from MS people that shed tears for lack of attention, at least Google is making them work harder.

I just hope that Google doesn't win this race as it won the internet space. They are increasingly scary to me.

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E C S Sucks — Jul 10th 2009 5:20PM

How is it me too?

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richb93 — Jul 10th 2009 5:25PM

My thoughts exactly. Stop buggering around Microsoft. It's not as if you even need to make a new rendering engine. Just use WebKit already.

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iDavey — Jul 10th 2009 5:25PM

I like the sound of that.
The main thing that makes me choose Chrome over the other browsers is the separate processes amongst the screen real estate.

I like being able to close a tab and not lose my others.
They should have implemented this ages ago.

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MioTheGreat — Jul 10th 2009 10:39PM

Actually, Internet Explorer 8 already splits tabs into their own sandboxed processes, just like Chrome does. IE7 started the trend with spinning various browsing processes off on a per-security zone basis.

I'm not actually sure who came up with the idea first.

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iKurt 7 — Jul 10th 2009 6:46PM

Microsoft copying Google... is this suppose to be a surprise?

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Dr Zoidberg — Jul 11th 2009 7:30AM

You being a dick ... Is this supposed to be a suprise?

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Kumar — Jul 10th 2009 5:30PM

Nice counter by MS. Since the Chrome OS is about as real as this Gazelle, it helps diffuse the media attention. It's like saying, no worries, we already have that covered, but thanks for playing.

Hopefully both make it to reality, as competition -> innovation -> better stuff -> lower prices ;)

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Phil — Jul 10th 2009 5:39PM

Because we all know how prohibitively expensive browsers are these days, what with the bottom falling out of the economy and inflation and all.

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ash chapman — Jul 10th 2009 6:25PM

I could barely scrape together enough for the Firefox 3.5 update. All in all, I'd say it was worth the money I paid.

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mabhatter — Jul 10th 2009 8:29PM

this is the "Amhtal Effect" IBM invented years ago. Google and Mozilla both have similar features, although not so advanced. This isn't a real project, just something M$ PR dug out of the "geek closet" to distract from what other people are doing.

move along folks.

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guy943 — Jul 10th 2009 5:34PM

I still don't get the concept of a part OS, part browser system. It sounds like Windows was with IE integrated into it. Which was bad.

Can anybody explain what "part OS, part browser" means aside from "No, it will definitely not run Crysis"?

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Samurai Jack — Jul 10th 2009 5:36PM

Ah, nostalgia! It feels like the old days, when an upstart competitor would announce a product and garner loads of press. A few days later Microsoft would announce that they were working on something similar, and that it would be coming to market "soon". Everyone would wait to see what Microsoft would do and not buy the competitors' product. The competitor would fail and go out of business and Microsoft would deliver something not quite as good. Or nothing at all.

Something tells me that won't work with Google. So I look forward to seeing what Gazelle will do and hope that Google actually proves to be a worthy rival that Microsoft actually fears. Because it's fear that truly drives innovation.

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Beastage — Jul 10th 2009 6:26PM

Except talk about Gazelle been around for months.

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ash chapman — Jul 10th 2009 6:44PM

Nicely put. As obvious as it sounds after I read it, I never knew Microsoft would run tactics like that. I either didn't pay attention or never connected the dots. Evil... brilliant but evil.

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John — Jul 10th 2009 10:41PM

Wow, you're right. Microsoft backdated the Gazelle whitepaper and paid Ars Technica to "dig it up". The wool has been lifted from my eyes. Or, perhaps you're some sort of tool. It's definitely one of those two though...

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alahmnat — Jul 10th 2009 6:00PM

I was interested until I saw the bit about it still using Trident. Now I really couldn't care less. Way to stay behind the times, Microsoft!

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KyleW — Jul 10th 2009 6:08PM

Why don't they just focus on getting CSS right first?

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AtomicPlayboy — Jul 10th 2009 6:19PM

WebTV was part browser, part OS. Not good, and I'm sure that was a good learning experience for Microsoft.

I'd like to see: Minwin kernel or 360 OS kernel (same thing?) with a Chrome-like lightweight browser and XBMC-like media features. Pretty much a more powerful version of my modded Xbox1, only with more extensive support for interfaces like USB and Bluetooth. Put this on netbooks, nettops, HTPCs, cable boxes, pretty much everything that doesn't need much local computational power.

Maybe this is already what they have in mind, and maybe this is about what we'll expect from Chrome OS. If so, I'll put it on every computing device I've got other than my gaming PC.

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Victor Stuber — Jul 10th 2009 6:32PM

I wish Micro$oft would focus on creating a browser that isn't 6 years behind the competition. Using Webkit would be a good start

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181 — Jul 10th 2009 6:56PM

To manage all these different processes, there's a central "kernel," which is where all hell breaks loose and security holes allow one hijacked process to easily take over the rest and eventually compromise the entire computer.