http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 10:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 11:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/
*pops some popcorn*]]>Jul 12th 2009 11:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/
I know how useless is to feed a troll, and I hate to agree with Steve Ballmer but he was right. He's talking about worldwide market share of all the phones and Apples marketshare for the 1Q09 was 1.5%.

As for microsoft putting out a phone. not likely. Many manufacturers would drop WinMo phone lines if microsoft started to make phones so it would be counter productive. They might make hardware demonstration pieces for other manufacturers to use as reference but no consumer is going to get a microsoft phone into their hands.

Microsoft making phones is as likely as microsoft making PCs.]]>Jul 12th 2009 11:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 11:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/
I don't like how BlackBerry released the Storm a few months ago and now have a new one to take its place? That's worse than Apple when they release a new iPhone with "revolutionary" new features that should've been on the phone in the first place.

@Mark Anderson: Neither did Apple until the ROKR.]]>Jul 12th 2009 12:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/
You do know that Ballmer is 100% correct on that quote, right? iPhone market share is tiny.]]>Jul 12th 2009 12:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/
"He's talking about worldwide market share of all the phones and Apples marketshare for the 1Q09 was 1.5%"

Don't know where you got that figure from, but whatever it is, its way off.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10245339-37.html

http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=910112]]>Jul 12th 2009 12:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=985912

They havent counted the apple marketshare for all phones sold as it's so tiny but the 1Q09 total phones sold is 269,120,100 out of which apple sold 3,938,800 and that comes to 1.5%





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Neither of you should be proud of yourselves. ]]>Jul 12th 2009 1:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 1:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 1:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/
As for Apple, yeah done pretty well and may squeeze another few percentage points out of the market but probably peaked. It's a nice phone but plenty competition these days. Well unless you live in the US where the market's still shit.]]>Jul 12th 2009 1:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 2:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/
Direct from Paul's quote.

Unless the US market has increased over ten fold Ballmer clearly was speaking about worldwide all phones sold and that and that figure is about 1.3 billion.

I don't like Ballmer, but apple would need to double sold phones to get to his 3% share of the world wide phones sold. ]]>Jul 12th 2009 2:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/

You know, a little mutual respect would go a long way around here...]]>Jul 12th 2009 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/
"And he was clearly talking about smart phones, since he compared the iPhone to Windows Mobile, which runs on smart phones."

Still wrong.

Ballmer "But if you actually take a look at the 1.3 billion phones that get sold,..." they sell 1.3 billion smartphones a year? No. smartphone sales a year is about 160 million. Ballmer was clearly talking about the whole mobile phone segment, not only smartphones. Alltho his call for 60% marketshare can be called overly optimistic in any light of day.]]>Jul 12th 2009 4:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/
"Those figures are for smartphone [market share]. Ballmer was speaking about the worldwide phones sales (1.3 billion per year) out of which apples marketshare is 1.5%."

Regardless, sales are no indicator of success. You can sell the most amount of units and still make a loss, just ask Nokia.]]>Jul 12th 2009 5:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 5:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/
So, he is clearly speaking of the all phones sold per year as he mentions 1.3 billion.
He wishes to get 60-80% market share, but doesn't claim to have one, and states that apple might get 2 or 3% marketshare out of those 1.3 billion phones sold. Dont think winmo has ever had 60% of marketshare, not even close. WinMos phone marketsharews been about 12%. And as symbian has about 60% smartphone marketshare it doesnt seem even possible.

Just checked and this is from 2007, before Nokia bought Symbian. Its possible that Microsoft was trying to buy Symbian at the time. Would eplain somewhat this 60% claim and why nokia bought others out of Symbian.

As for "Regardless, sales are no indicator of success. You can sell the most amount of units and still make a loss, just ask Nokia." I should ask Motorola or Sony-Erickson as Nokia hasnt sold phones at a loss ever.]]>Jul 12th 2009 7:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 8:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/IMHO, in the long run, many of the major consumer electronics/software giants (Microsoft, Apple, Google, Sony, Nintendo) are working towards delivering a fully-integrated consumer media solution, which would integrate all the usual toys:

PC (productivity tools + internet access)
Home gaming system
Portable gaming system
Portable media player
Cellphone (with a still/video camera)
Television (in the timeframe we are talking about, this will be probably be a projector)

With regard to producing hardware:

Microsoft will keep on producing (good, considering what has to do) software, but has has dipped its toe into hardware with the Xbox and Zune, and is keeping its options open.
Apple has moved pretty far towards integrating its lineup, and has (fairly successfully) combined (average) hardware with (excellent) software.
Google is likely to stick with doing (excellent) software, and avoid hardware.
Sony is likely to stick with (good) hardware, and use MS and Google for software
etc. etc.



]]>Jul 13th 2009 2:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizarro]]>Jul 13th 2009 4:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 13th 2009 11:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 10:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/
Someone correct me if I'm wrong though...]]>Jul 12th 2009 12:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 11:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/
Now that I have the 3GS I don't notice it as much since I'm on WiFi a lot more often (couldn't use WiFi networks with a proxy on the BB), but I do see the E for EDGE a lot on my iPhone before the WiFi connects. I know a few people with the 3GS that can't keep 3G for their lives - they ended up just turning it off completely. ]]>Jul 12th 2009 12:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 4:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 10:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 11:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 11:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/
No thanks.]]>Jul 12th 2009 11:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 11:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 11:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 12:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 12:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 2:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/
And LongshotX, the data plan for Blackberry is 30 dollars, only 45 if you include email on a corporate account I believe.]]>Jul 12th 2009 1:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/
]]>Jul 12th 2009 1:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/I mean it may be more expensive, but you can switch carriers as you please.

I used a Storm recently, and I wasn't very impressed. I have an issue with all the touchscreens and that's the fact that they ..well..are touchscreens. I see people who have their phones for months still miss-press icons.A hybrid solution, for me, is the best option for usability. Something like the Pre is what I'm thinking about.]]>Jul 12th 2009 2:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 3:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 3:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/Jul 12th 2009 3:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/12/blackberry-storm-2-specd-3g-equipped-original-en-route-to-atandt/http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/whatsnew/video

That's the link, scroll to where there is 35 sec left in the video, maybe that's some more proof of a GSM BB Touch]]>Jul 12th 2009 6:51PM