http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/ Engadget Comments for Acer A1 Android and F1 WinMo Snapdragon smartphones in September? http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 2:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 2:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 2:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 2:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 3:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 4:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 19th 2009 3:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5sEIf5-FJs]]>Jul 15th 2009 7:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 8:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/
"Tegra has 8 processors..." That's like saying that the Cell is an 8 core cpu, while technically correct, it paints an inaccurate picture.

"...it is a SOC solution incorporating a CPU and a very powerful GPU that can decode 1080p video." Snapdragon is also a SoC, and the version on Tegra used in smartphones (APX) can't do 1080p, only 720.

Snapdragon has a better CPU than Tegra, but I believe that Tegra has a better GPU.

I think that each will have strong points, wait for the reviews, and see which is better for what you are going to use it for. ]]>Jul 15th 2009 10:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 3:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/
Non stupid Levi - Was it an XDA ROM? I'd wait and see what the actual handsets runnign signed off ROMs are like.]]>Jul 15th 2009 12:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/
given the tentative release dates of both, look for your answer "at the end of September and in the fourth quarter."]]>Jul 15th 2009 3:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 3:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 3:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/
Which would make you stupid.]]>Jul 15th 2009 5:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 6:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 11:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 2:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/"No one posting here can honestly answer that question. We just don't know at this point."
"I think that each will have strong points, wait for the reviews, and see which is better for what you are going to use it for."

Mark Anderson@ WinMo 6.5
"Was it an XDA ROM? I'd wait and see what the actual handsets runnign signed off ROMs are like."

Thank you gentleman,
Why some here think they can offer concise insight on any product that has not been officially released or professionally and personally reviewed is beyond me and many other knowledgeable readers.]]>Jul 15th 2009 3:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/
Qualcomm's Snapdragon uses a 1.0-1.3Ghz custom ARMv7 core that is similar to a heavily upgraded ARM Cortex-A8 CPU, with a better SIMD engine and better power efficiency. It also have a really fast OpenGL2.0 GPU (not as good as Tegra), 600Mhz DSP, and 720P encode/decode.

Nvidia's Tegra uses a dual-core ARM11 architecture running at ~600mhz with a great GPU, considered better than the PowerVR SGX 530/535 used in TI's OMAP3 and better than Snapdragons GPU.

As far as directly comparing raw CPU power, the two ARM11 cores clocked at 600mhz on the Tegra should be capable of just over 1,000. DMIPS. The next-gen Snapdragon core running at 1.0Ghz should be capable of over 2,000. Similarly, it's SIMD unit for media processing is way faster than the ARM11.

I would definitely want Snapdragon over the current implementation of Tegra. Nvidia needs to get with the times and upgrade Tegra so it uses a high speed, 45nm Cortex-A8 core or (eventually) dual Cortex-A9 cores.]]>Jul 16th 2009 1:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/
@B3astofthe3ast:

Snapdragon's CPU is an ARMv7 design, slightly faster clock-for-clock than Cortex A8 chips. The Tegra APX2500, on the other hand, uses an ARM11 (ARMv6) CPU at 600 MHz. Cortex A8 is roughly twice as fast clock-for-clock than ARM11, so at 1 GHz, Snapdragon should be roughly 3x faster than Tegra in terms of CPU performance.

Tegra's GPU is significantly faster than the ATI Imageon Z430 in the first-gen Snapdragon. Don't have much benchmark or app performance data yet, but here's a breakdown of some mobile GPUs by rated specs (slowest to fastest):

Mobile GPU: Triangles/sec, Fill Rate

Nintendo DS: 120,000 triangles/s, 30 M pixels/s
PowerVR MBX-Lite (iPhone 3G): 1 M triangles/s, 100 M pixels/s
Samsung S3C6410 (Omnia II): 4 M triangles/s, 125.6 M pixels/s
ATI Imageon (Qualcomm MSM72xx): 4 M triangles/s, 133 M pixels/s
PowerVR SGX 530 (Palm Pre): 14 M triangles/s, ___ M pixels/s
ATI Imageon Z430 (Toshiba TG01): 22 M triangles/s, 133 M pixels/s
PowerVR SGX 535 (iPhone 3GS): 28 M triangles/s, 400 M pixels/s
Sony PSP: 33 M triangles/s, 664 M pixels/s

PowerVR SGX 540 (TI OMAP4): 35 M triangles/s, 1000 M pixels/s
Nvidia Tegra APX2500 (Zune HD): 40 M triangles/s, 600 M pixels/s
ATI Imageon _ (Qualcomm QSD8672): 80 M triangles/s, >500 M pixels/s

The one at the bottom (QSD8672) is the next-gen dual-core 45nm Snapdragon, which should be quite a beast.]]>Jul 16th 2009 5:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/
hands-on performance>specs

The gpu heavy reliance on other parts for an end-user performance level leaves little to ascertain which of the two is, or will be, better.

]]>Jul 16th 2009 5:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 4:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 5:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 7:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 6:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 7:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.tweaktown.com/news/12353/nvidia_tegra_mobile_devices_whip_atom_supposedly/]]>Jul 15th 2009 8:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 3:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/Jul 15th 2009 4:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/acer-a1-android-and-f1-winmo-snapdragon-smartphones-in-september/
I can't wait to see how Android actually performs with native graphics acceleration and a next-gen processor!]]>Jul 16th 2009 1:38AM