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If I hadn't played Super Monkey Ball deluxe, you could have fooled me. That game is terrible and I wouldn't have doubted it if they claimed to have ported it in a day.]]>Jul 20th 2009 5:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
That said...I played that game for a few days and moved on to better games. The folks at Sega have really dropped the ball with respect to updates and other things they could have done with their games on the iPhone.]]>Jul 20th 2009 8:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 20th 2009 5:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 20th 2009 7:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
My webOS games all look great. This guy's fucked.]]>Jul 20th 2009 9:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 20th 2009 9:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 20th 2009 9:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
Also, in response to the quoted article:
With such amazing software capabilities flourishing on the iPhone, Palm can't afford to wait a year while they make the transition from web apps to native apps in their SDK. Palm might have had a chance against the 2007 Apple SDK, but not the 2009 version. Not even close. With this limitation, webOS will not be taken seriously by consumers who place importance on games or sophisticated third party apps.

Palm isn't waiting a year. In fact, they are moving quicker than Apple did in regards to any form of an SDK. It took Apple a year after the release of the initial iPhone: it took Palm what, 5-6 weeks? True that Apple had no competitors and could take their sweet time while Palm has to get the ball rolling, but for a company that many thought would declare Chapter 9 after not doing so well for years, they're not doing that badly of a job. Just takes a little patience.

Also, Palm is catering to a different crowd. The iPhone is a multimedia device first and a phone second I'd say. The emphasis is in the app store, and it's maaaaaaany time-wasting games and non-productive apps (look at the top ten list for paid and free apps as an example). If you're looking for hardcore gaming, get a DSi, PSP, or something of that sort. Or you could get an iPhone and live with the games on that. If you place your importance in a phone in playing games, then, um, you have the wrong mindset lol.]]>Jul 20th 2009 9:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
Count me in the group of people who want a phone first. I got the pre because I wanted a smartphone my wife could easily use.

Could have gone with an iphone, but with at&t's plans I'll stick with the pre and spend some of the $1000+ saved over two years on PSP games made for an actual gaming platform.]]>Jul 20th 2009 10:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/No it doesn't, but 3D flash games on a desktop can be very slow, try it on a mobile platform - just try to watch a video, it's not great. And still that wasn't my complain, I think it's cool to base an entire OS around the web platform (both webOS and ChromeOS are doing that), but if they release a native SDK, the whole webOS-concept is dead.

"Palm isn't waiting a year. In fact, they are moving quicker than Apple did in regards to any form of an SDK. It took Apple a year after the release of the initial iPhone: it took Palm what, 5-6 weeks? True that Apple had no competitors and could take their sweet time while Palm has to get the ball rolling, but for a company that many thought would declare Chapter 9 after not doing so well for years, they're not doing that badly of a job. Just takes a little patience."
Apple also made a web SDK available at iPhone launch, so in that regard they're know different. But sure Apple got competitors?!?! They were brand new at this market - sure they were first at mixing a smartphone with a more consumer friendly aspect, that however doesn't mean Apple isn't in competetion with Nokia, SE, Microsoft etc.

"Also, Palm is catering to a different crowd. The iPhone is a multimedia device first and a phone second I'd say. The emphasis is in the app store, and it's maaaaaaany time-wasting games and non-productive apps (look at the top ten list for paid and free apps as an example). If you're looking for hardcore gaming, get a DSi, PSP, or something of that sort. Or you could get an iPhone and live with the games on that. If you place your importance in a phone in playing games, then, um, you have the wrong mindset lol."
Agree if you're REALLY serious about games, purchase a PSP or DS, but I still like to play a fun game on the train or when I'm really bored. Excactly the same if I was serious about my photos I would buy a real camera. Or GPS.

I'm sorry I sounds like an Apple fanboy (I am!!) but a good one.. I've played around with the Palm Pre.. and holy crap Cards is implented awesome. We really need true multitasking on the iPhone. The Pre is also pretty :D]]>Jul 20th 2009 10:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/So, who exactly cares if the Palm Pre's app catalog doesn't measure up to the iPhone's? I'm not 14. I don't want 40,000 useless applications and games to choose from. It seems their decision is strategic: holding the reigns, knowing that serious developers will still develop for the Pre, hopefully preventing all the riffraff from bloating the catalog with their crapware.

I'm with everyone else: Phone first, everything else second. If I wanted to play games, why would I waste my time tinkering around on a 3" screen, anyway??]]>Jul 20th 2009 11:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
It's all in the implementation, just because 3d flash games are slow, that doesn't mean that games written in javascript have to be. Javascript is just a language, and its the exposed APIs that can make writing 3d accelerated games possible. Such work has already been done before (take a look at seed and its clutter bindings), so it should be quite possible to do something similar for the Pre.]]>Jul 20th 2009 11:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
Um, because you can game on a device that's in your pocket ALL THE TIME??? Or do you whip out a laptop for some gaming entertainment in the doctor's waiting room?

As for the "who cares about gaming?" from the anti-Apple crowd, you people need to get your talking points straight.

"Macs suck because there are no games."

"iPhones suck - who cares about games? I'm all about serious work!"

Make up your minds.]]>Jul 20th 2009 12:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 20th 2009 12:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
Maybe you don't want those "crapware" apps, but there is surley a portion of people who own this phone, 14 year olds or so you might say, that would download those apps like crazy.

If you think that people don't want those apps, think again. Why do you think iFart was on the top 10 list on iPhone so long??
Though stupid, people download them. ]]>Jul 20th 2009 12:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/As a Pre user and a gamer, I personally don't care to use my mobile device as a gaming platform. If it has a few interesting games great, if not I do not care. I would rather play games on my PC. If I was at a doctor’s office I would probably be working on an email. Not everyone wants to play a game during down time.
Just because "we" don't care about how many games are on the iPhone does not make us anti-Apple. I like Apple products and believe that people buy Macs for graphic design, the OS, or they are just fanatics. Obviously, if you are a gamer you would have a PC or a console, etc. I went with a Pre versus iPhone because I believe the OS fits my needs better. Most of my friends that have iPhones don’t play games on it or care if it does have the best games. They bought it because it was the best phone/mobile device at the time.
At the end of the day, I buy what suits my needs not because of the logo it has on it.


]]>Jul 20th 2009 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
and also, i fail to see how this is a dead end for palm. they still don't have to go "native." They could just extend the mojo api / javascript to include openGL and what not.]]>Jul 20th 2009 5:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
I always love a sample set of 1 ...]]>Jul 23rd 2009 1:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
So let's see...they get a few of them on-board and those folks start designing some APIs and how many years pass before those APIs are ready for the REAL game engineers?
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What are the apps I should look on the appstore?]]>Jul 20th 2009 6:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 20th 2009 6:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 20th 2009 7:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 20th 2009 8:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
Shazam
AroundMe
AccuWeather
Sportacular
ScoreCenter
WSJ
Facebook
Showtimes
Remote
9-Toolbox

Some good games:

I Dig It
HoldEm
HeavyMach
iFighter
JellyCar
Flood-it!
StoneLoops!
World War/Kingdoms (if you are into those)
iShoot

Some other general apps:

Bump
IfFound
Spell Number
Mobile Pro (if etrade customer)

There are thousands of apps...just download some and give them a whirl...most are free so it is no skin off your nose for trying.]]>Jul 20th 2009 8:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 20th 2009 9:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
Wow thanks guys, im gonna check all those apps quietly and get the free ones (obviously) and pay for what is necessary.

Amazing list, thanks!

BoC]]>Jul 20th 2009 11:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 20th 2009 2:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
I don't know why you're confused - your behaviour on this article is a perfect example of trolling. Now that you've been given the definition, please don't do it again.]]>Jul 20th 2009 10:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 21st 2009 8:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 20th 2009 6:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 20th 2009 9:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
C.]]>Jul 20th 2009 6:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
As such (though I have no idea if the Pre ACTUALLY does it) the Pre's multiple web pages could indeed each be in a separate process.
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Look at the APIs on developer.palm.com before coming to conclusions that its just a bunch of web pages running at once.]]>Jul 20th 2009 7:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 20th 2009 9:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 20th 2009 6:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 20th 2009 6:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 20th 2009 8:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
The innovators rule the market. Right now, the innovators are at Palm (and really never were at Apple, to be honest -- no copy and paste for over 2 years?!).]]>Jul 20th 2009 9:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
You can't honestly say that Apple wasn't innovative because they didn't include cut-and-paste. Cut-and-paste is not innovating. After all, many other platforms had it already (the very opposite of innovation).

Innovators DO rule the market. Like it or not, the iPhone was and is an innovative product. It's not the be-all-end-all, but it's nothing to scoff at either. Apple concentrated on innovating two years ago, and that's why they're ahead now. They saw opportunities to differentiate themselves from competitors (UI and SDK), and they focused development first on those things, then added what everyone else already had later. You may not agree with their decision to omit some things at launch, but you can't argue that it hasn't worked in their favor. They put their efforts where they needed to be.]]>Jul 20th 2009 12:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
LOL!!!! So Apple turns the mobile world on its head with the iPhone, but isn't "innovating." I see. But Palm comes along 2 years later, copies what Apple did and adds multitasking, and that makes them the innovators?

LOL!!!!

Troll Different.

P.S. my prediction: Palm doesn't survive independently until 2012. Can you say "Microsoft acquisition?"]]>Jul 20th 2009 12:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
LOL!!!!

Check out the Palm LifeDrive: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LifeDrive

Yeah, it was released in 2005. LOL to that.]]>Jul 20th 2009 2:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 20th 2009 6:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/Jul 20th 2009 9:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/20/webos-sdk-bemoaned-by-iphone-developer-as-palm-seeks-game-engine/
It’s a good start, thats about it. Im not downplaying webOS at all it’s a slick little platform, but to say it runs smooth like butter is the biggest lie, i cant even see how you managed to type it, you must have been laughing so hard.]]>Jul 20th 2009 2:41PM