http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 7:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 9:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 10:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 10:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/
if the design of the im systems communications was done this way, how is it not apples fault? ]]>Jul 23rd 2009 1:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/
Jailbreaker use a limited set of keys, so, if you have the same key of yuor flatmate, your iPhone will get his messages :)

So, blame jailbreakers dude]]>Jul 23rd 2009 1:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 2:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/
How is this secured? Someone could make something that virtualizes multiple keys and just receive all the push notifications from said keys if i'm reading this correctly, which means this could be an accessible exploit. On top of that they could just generate random keys and see if they are valid, which means it could be anyone. ]]>Jul 23rd 2009 2:10PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/
And lol flatmates.]]>Jul 23rd 2009 2:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 24th 2009 4:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 7:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 9:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 9:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/]]>Jul 23rd 2009 9:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/
They put their head in the sand and now they need to scramble to jury rig a solution rather than having done it elegantly in the first place. I agree, Apple fail.]]>Jul 23rd 2009 10:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/
Apparently jailbreakers don't get this problem, only unlockers, in which case.... it doesn't really effect Apple's prefered customers. Feels more like an Apple time bomb for unlockers. People should be entitled to unlock their phones, so part of me thinks this is really lame of Apple, but then unlocking isn't allowed so you accept limitations (like no 3g on T-Mobile) so there's that.

Meh.]]>Jul 23rd 2009 10:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 10:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/
(check the last paragraph of the linked article, or any previous article on the same subject)]]>Jul 23rd 2009 10:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 10:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 10:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 11:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/
That has to be the most idiotic statement I've heard this week. I'm no Apple fanboy, but as a software developer I can't let this one go. Clearly you have never worked on anything more complex than a baking soda/vinegar volcano.]]>Jul 23rd 2009 12:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/
You're a software developper, and you say its idiotic to consider hacker knowledge when your designing a secure protocol? Sorry if I never hire someone like you, I just can't imagine saying to my managers "Well its not my fault if they hacked into it, they weren't supposed to exist"...

So what are you working on right now? I hope its complex.]]>Jul 23rd 2009 2:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 2:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/
In any case, Apple made it abundantly clear to all buyers (it is in the agreement) that they do not support unlocking or jailbreaking in any way whatsoever. So they really, *really* do not have to "consider" unlocked phones when they are writing their OS and apps. If this issue is only affecting unlocked phones and does not impinge upon legitimate users, then they system is not broken, and Apple does not have to do a damn thing.]]>Jul 26th 2009 11:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Why? This is only making it inconvenient for people who jailbreak their iPhones... Apple doesn't want people doing this, so if jailbreakers' service is messed up, why should Apple care?]]>Jul 29th 2009 6:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 7:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 11:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 12:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 7:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 7:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/
Except for the very serious problem detailed in this article?]]>Jul 23rd 2009 8:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 8:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/
Except for the fact that Apple have no reason to fix their current system which works with un-hactivated iphones just fine.]]>Jul 23rd 2009 8:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 8:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 9:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/
Until we hear about this happening to legally activated, unaltered iPhones, this isn't Apple's problem, and they have no reason to allocate resources to it. Apple needs to allocate resources to improving the experience for those of us who use the device legally.]]>Jul 23rd 2009 9:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 10:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/
Poor choice of words, but you knew what I meant. Point is Apple isn't obligated to fix jailbroken phones.]]>Jul 23rd 2009 11:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/"the problem is not on apple's end its only on hacked iphones because the hackers messed up. if you never had your iphone jailbroken then you have no security problems."

an unlocked door is "secure" until someone opens it too. you still have the security vulnerability of it not being locked. it may keep the rain out, but it ain't gonna stop guys from coming in after your teenage daughter.

it seems to me that a lot of Apple's security depends on them being "different" and an underdog in the marketplace. that's how you end up with a security hole that finally gets patched after twenty-something years. now, Apple has some mainstream, genre defining products and is having to cope with the security problems that come with popularity (look what happens when pop-tarts like brittany spears and miley cyrus get big.) the iphone is Apple's teenage daughter, and she is h-o-t. time to invest in better locks.

and maybe a shotgun too.
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I don't usually go to bat for Apple, but where would I go about finding out the IMEI on my iPod Touch? you see, they have Push notification too. Obviously they had to come up with something else to accommodate NON phones. ]]>Jul 23rd 2009 8:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/
From what the article says, jailbroken phones are fine. It's just the unlocked ones using "unofficial activation" that are having a problem.

Apple may prefer you don't jailbreak your phones, but I'm guessing they don't really care what carrier you use. So I doubt they would purposefully design it to not work on unlocked phones. But again I'm just guessing.

AT&T on the other hand probably does care ... a lot.]]>Jul 23rd 2009 8:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 9:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 7:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/iphone-3-0s-broken-push-messaging-caused-by-unlockers-dirty/Jul 23rd 2009 9:54AM