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"Although Tesla say it will do 200 miles we worked out that on our track it would run out after just 55 miles," continued Clarkson's voiceover.

To fully recharge the batteries on this from a normal 13 amp socket like this takes 16 hours]]>Jul 23rd 2009 8:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/might wanna try google Honda Hydrogen!]]>Jul 23rd 2009 9:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/
i drove 145 miles last week, that means i would only have to do 10 hours of recharging. fine with me!

plus no gear changes! no oil changes! or air filters or anything like that!]]>Jul 23rd 2009 9:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/
There, fixed that for you]]>Jul 23rd 2009 9:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 10:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/
1: Top Gear was paid large sums of cash by oil company's to highlight the vehicles shortcomings as much as possible.
2: The failure of the first vehicle during charging was due to Big Oil 'hit men' who targeted the car with an electromagnetic pulse device, damaging various circuitry and causing the breaking system to fail.
3: James May is obviously in kahoots with the oil company's, promoting a technology for which there isn't even any infrestructure! How utterly rediciouluous.

Yes top gear, a technology that has no infrestructure, can cover a shorter distance between refueling, and needs about 10 miracle breakthroughs before it can become an everyday reality (and is LESS EFFICIENT) definitely makes more scence than something that is usable NOW.

IDIOTS! ]]>Jul 23rd 2009 11:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/
Top Gear made the FCX Clarity seem like godsend, I know, but it's not as simple as they put it. Right now the tech is still way too expensive to even be considered viable. Honda has less than 20 Clarities and they are leasing them at ridiculously high prices because they are such expensive cars. Electric cars, on the other hand, are already available and comparitively affordable. Hydrogen has a bunch of other problems that make battery electric vehicles a better solution in every way EXCEPT for recharge time, which will be solved if MIT has their way.

If you really do your research it's easy to see that hydrogen is a dead end for personal transportation, and electric cars are much more promising.]]>Jul 23rd 2009 11:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/
That unfortunately was the worst and very dubious review of car on Top Gear. Top Gear admitted failings. ( The scent of money affcts us all!! )

To remain on topis Toshiba is producing as we speak Scib batteries which are in theory capable of doing that already. Fast chargin technology is not new. Altairnano ( Phoneix motors, Lightining GT and a project for US Navy.. a battery powered ship.. ) and Toshiba ( the Tailwind bike ) have already commercially delivered such products.
It doesnt take much*, you just need to replace the the cathode ( is were the electricity passes thgough when charging/ discharging,using ) with a material which will let pass the current through without overheating so much to become a small bomb. Both companies above have replaced the cathode with nano materials which will pose no resistance to current hence remaining cool.

Why does Tesla not use it? Well the altairnano battery is thought to be big and heavy while the Toshiba once are probably just damn expensive.
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This is true for anyone who is admitted, and is the case for a lot of private universities in the US.]]>Jul 23rd 2009 8:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 10:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 10:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 3:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 6:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/
Here is the link I got that figure from. http://web.mit.edu/sfs/financial_aid/index.html]]>Jul 23rd 2009 8:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 8:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/
However, there are two things that make them not so popular: price and availability. For price, they can be as dear as $10-$20 per cell (1 cell=3.6V, 2000mAh.... think how much nearly 8,000 would cost... at least $80k). For availability, I don't know if the situation has changed, but traditionally the normal (and cheapest) way to get them was to buy a certain DeWalt battery pack and cannibalize the cells inside. I wonder how they got a hold of so many... but it would be impractical to mass produce.

They also need a special charger or circuit to properly charge. A NiMh or LiPo charger won't cut it. To charge ~8000 cells, each at 2AH 3.6V, in 1 hour, you'd need ~50kW(most appliances use less than 1kW), or at 110V US power, ~500 amps... . To do it in 10 minutes... ugh. You'd need a *huge* wire. Wire attached to clock tower during electrical storm, anyone? Then every time we charge our cars, we'd travel back to the future.

So, it's a nice science project, but it won't practical for a long time to come.]]>Jul 23rd 2009 9:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Not really. You just need a high power dc power supply. The technology is already there: http://magna-power.com/mtoverview.html
]]>Jul 23rd 2009 9:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 1:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/
Do you have anything positive to contribute?]]>Jul 23rd 2009 2:36PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/
* Non-explosive and non-toxic
* 5X increase in energy storage per volume (energy density) compared to Lith-Ion.
* No degradation from charge/discharge cycles
* 4-6 minute charge time for a 336 pound (152 kg), 2005 cubic inch (33 L), 52 kilowatt hour (187 MJ), 31 farad, 3500 volt unit, assuming sufficient cooling of the cables.
* For a 52 kWh unit, an initial production price of $3,200, falling to $2,100 with mass production is projected.
* The equipped with a built in Buck-boost converter (DC-DC voltage converter) to provide the proper input/output voltage
* A self-discharge rate of 0.1% per month]]>Jul 23rd 2009 2:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/
And I'll believe EEStor's claims when they can actually produce something concrete. It would be nice, if true, and a welcome change from $80k batteries per car. It could also go the same way as cold fusion.]]>Jul 24th 2009 1:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/
or should i say kilometres

>=p]]>Jul 23rd 2009 8:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 8:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 8:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 8:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/
but... he didnt say "saloon"

*GIGGLES

hahah its early =)]]>Jul 23rd 2009 9:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/
I dont know what your experience has been, but as a US engineer, everything I work in is in metric. The problem isnt industries, its the general public who think its "unamerican" to go metric or are just too lazy to learn the metric system.]]>Jul 23rd 2009 10:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 11:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 2:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 8:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 8:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 1:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/
Uh, no....college is like that.]]>Jul 23rd 2009 2:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Aug 10th 2009 10:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/
But then again, if you are charging at home; chances are you don't need to have it charged in 10 minutes. So maybe instead, what they should develop is like the electricity equivalent of a gas station. A gas station that receives power from high-voltage 3-phase power lines (much like factories and large buildings). Then this electric station would be able to supply the power necessary to charge cars in 10 minutes.]]>Jul 23rd 2009 8:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/They didn't say anything about that.]]>Jul 23rd 2009 8:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 11:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 9:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/
Or maybe this is a good time for the rest of the world to get off it already. We might as well say maybe it's time for the rest of the world to switch to speaking English.]]>Jul 23rd 2009 9:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 10:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 10:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 10:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 10:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/
If the car is wrecked or the batteries no longer hold a charge they can be recycled into brand new batteries.]]>Jul 23rd 2009 11:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/
Since batteries are so expensive i'd rather not have to take out a loan every five years in addition to paying for the expensive 50,000 car!!!]]>Jul 23rd 2009 2:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/video-mit-working-on-rapid-recharging-for-electric-vehicles/Jul 23rd 2009 5:32PM