http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/ Engadget Comments for Palm complains about Apple to USB governing body, while Pre / iTunes sync "fix" is explained http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 5:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/
This is you: "I know! I'll be a dumbass and ask about the HTC Touch Pro 2 in a post concerning Palm's complaint about Apple with the Pre/iTunes!"

Conclusion: Shut the @$*# up, dumbass.

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no, no they do not. The locking in of a device and software is one bitch of a move and it's causing nightmares for apples customers. Ask many linux users what they're pet peeve is and odds are they're answer will be that ipod syncing is a bitch. Ipod touch's / iphones simple *cant* be synched (without unlocking, which has its own problems). So, they're screwing over their own customers, that's a bitch move.

This is less about palm and more about apple being dicks with the whole lock-in system with the ipod/itunes, the customer has the right to choose what software they use with their hardware.

I can't believe apple get away with this BS and microsoft can't even bundle a web browser with their OS.

(Note: I own a macbook pro, and an ipod touch, I'm not a linux/ms/palm fanboy)]]>Jul 24th 2009 6:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/
Of course! God forbid that they have to adhere to any "standards."]]>Jul 24th 2009 6:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/
I usually read comments, but I don't always comment unless I have something to say. Thanks for playing, though.]]>Jul 24th 2009 6:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/
How old are you?]]>Jul 24th 2009 6:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/
(couldn't resist)]]>Jul 24th 2009 7:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 7:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/
Sure, it's Apple's software... No, it's not Apple's MUSIC. The fact that they're preventing the transfer of media which is *not theirs* (even if it's owned by Apple's music division, the fact remains that it was created by the artist, not Apple themselves) simply because it's being done via their own software is absolutely pathetic. How petty can you get? ]]>Jul 24th 2009 7:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/
If I use USB for syncing, I must abide to the rules that govern the standard. Should I create a device that uses a totally proprietary connection interface, I could set the rules for using such connection and no one could ever say shit about it.

Otherwise... It's kind of fuzzy the way that Palm implemented this technology. I mean, you would expect the device to appear as what it is in iTunes. And not trying to pass as an iPod.

Palm already had an agreement with the use of iSync under Mac OSX, so I think this should have been treated as a new deal.]]>Jul 24th 2009 8:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Apple is wrong here, but not out of character.]]>Jul 24th 2009 10:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/
So if i go buy a diesel truck(knowing it takes diesel) should i bitch and moan when i can't use unleaded? just because its more convenient ?]]>Jul 25th 2009 2:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/
"If the EU are going to roast Microsoft for the inclusion of IE, then Apple needs to be given the same treatment for the inclusion of Safari."

I don't think you understand the concept of abusing a monopoly. Microsoft's Windows is the pre-installed OS of choice for 95+% of PC manufacturers, and holds nearly 100% of the market for paid, non-open source operating systems installed on x86 PCs. Because of this enormous reach, they are held to a very high level of scrutiny about using this market position to "cheat" their way into new markets, like the browser market.

Apple, on the other hand, is still by far the minority player when it comes to computers. Their marketshare is growing (and certainly is far larger among premium PCs purchased for consumer use), but it is still under 10% in the USA, and almost non-existent worldwide.

As far as the iPod and iTunes goes, their marketshare may eventually lead to anti-trust issues. It almost did with their DRM, and the only reason it fizzled out was because DRM was finally removed before the issues had gathered too much steam.]]>Jul 25th 2009 4:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/
Using your diesel truck example, assume Exxon made their own diesel powered vehicles. Now let's assume that *only* Exxon diesel powered vehicles are able to refuel at Exxon diesel pumps. So, if someone had a diesel powered Volkswagen, they would not be able to re-fuel at Exxon, since the pump is "incompatible" with the Volkswagen. And that, would be bullshit.

That would be the equivalent to this situation. Apple is only allowing Apple branded devices to connect and sync with iTunes. They are, in fact, *deliberately* preventing non-Apple branded devices to connect and sync with iTunes, thus the problem.

If Microsoft were to *prevent* the installation of competing products on Windows (such as Firefox), not only would they be slapped with an antitrust lawsuit, but they would lose the case before the trial would even start! They can't claim that "it's their software, and they can do whatever they want with it." By law, what they have done is anti-competitive. Like Windows, iTunes is a very dominant player in the market. If one company has to abide by those conditions, then so should Apple.]]>Jul 25th 2009 1:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/
Microsoft was bashed for INEXTRICABLY tying IE to Windows. You couldn't remove it if you wanted to. You CAN remove Safari from your Mac and use another browser if you want to. Microsoft did this to leverage their OS monopoly to push Netscape out of the browser market. It's monopoly abuse, which is illegal, and they were convicted of it (though the anemic justice departments around the world did very little about it).

Apple's use of iTunes is totally different. First, you don't have to get an iPod or iPhone. There are plenty of other (and many here would argue better) choices out there that don't require iTunes like Apple products do. It says on the box that you need to use iTunes to sync the product, so if you don't want to use iTunes, don't buy an iPod or iPhone. If you've already purchased music in iTunes, 99.5% of it can be upgraded to DRM-free music (now that the music companies have finally given in) which can go into any music ecosystem compatible with AAC, an open standard. You're not tied to iTunes. You can leave if you want to and get a Pre, for example, but Palm can't simply co-opt Apple's technology. That's IP theft.

Finally, Microsoft wants you to believe that Apple cried like a little bitch about the ads. The facts are these: the ads drew attention to Mac prices that were no longer accurate, to continue running the ads as is would have been false advertising, and Microsoft had to change the ads or face a lawsuit. Microsoft's stooge COO then misrepresented Apple's call (which likely said that they couldn't continue running the ads AS THEY CURRENTLY WERE) in order to get some much-needed good PR, and you fell for it. Apple obviously had a legitimate claim or Microsoft wouldn't have changed a damn thing. They did. And you can bet your ass that if Apple made a blatantly false claim about Microsoft products in their ads, Microsoft would have called them on that too. This whole discussion regarding these ads has been absurd, inaccurate, and exactly what Microsoft wanted.

Both Apple and Microsoft are getting what's coming to them. Look at the financials both companies just reported.]]>Jul 25th 2009 6:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 26th 2009 10:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 5:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 5:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 5:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 6:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 6:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 7:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 9:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/
lol no one would care, who uses Windows Media Player?]]>Jul 24th 2009 10:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 25th 2009 3:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 25th 2009 8:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 25th 2009 8:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 5:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 5:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 5:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/
Maybe you are referring to the Triad?

(as if I know anything whatsoever)]]>Jul 24th 2009 7:52PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 25th 2009 12:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 5:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 5:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/I'm not an Apple fan, but Apple has a shit load of money to back it up.
Palm is barley recovering from it's decline.
Maybe, just maybe; Microsoft will jump in and aid Palm.
]]>Jul 24th 2009 10:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 25th 2009 9:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 5:46PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/We will.]]>Jul 24th 2009 6:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/
I mean, the fact is, there are legitimate ways to see and access the very open iTunes library; the Serato Scratch DJ software sees the music and the playlists, and accesses them within their own software, Palm will likely end up doing this too with some software that I'm sure wouldn't be difficult for them.

But this 'imitate an iPod' thing Palm is doing is really in the fuzzy unprofessional area. The Pre doesn't identify itself as a Pre, so it's sort of obvious that there's something iffy about it. They actually have customers expecting it to work, mention it as a solution, even though they have made no agreement with Apple to allow it and continue Apple's "support" of the Pre. And Palm is making an amicable agreement to get legitimate support from Apple and iTunes less and less possible with every hour they do this.]]>Jul 24th 2009 6:31PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 7:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 7:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/
What are you talking about? how is Apple making sure only Apple manufactured devices use an Apple created program reason to call a company "Big Brother"?]]>Jul 24th 2009 8:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 10:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 10:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/
I bet they tried the proper way first but Apple would have none of it.]]>Jul 24th 2009 10:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 5:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 7:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/24/palm-complains-about-apple-to-usb-governing-body-while-pre-it/Jul 24th 2009 5:47PM