http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/ Engadget Comments for Entelligence: Six is much too much http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 2:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 2:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
All the good business and personal apps are already out there and in some cases have been for years. They're all multi-platform so the OS is largely irrelevant.]]>Jul 30th 2009 2:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 2:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
I also think Android and WinMo stand a good chance of survival because they're multi-distributor. WebOS is dependent on Palm's success and, frankly, that doesn't look likely considering it lukewarm reception in the US. RIM and Apple are also at risk because they're one manufacturer - Apple far more than RIM because of its extremely limited handset range.]]>Jul 30th 2009 2:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 2:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/really?! i remember one of articles saying that rim has sold more then apple.... so fail]]>Jul 30th 2009 3:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
Apple does not. It has precisely one consumer oriented product with minor variations which is absolutely at risk if and when the next big thing comes along (HTC Sense UI on Android with better hardware springs to mind). Once that happens it's going to lose market share massively and become less and less relevant.

Don't believe me? Who would have laid odds on Motorola being in the state it's in now when the RAZR was at its height? They too made the mistake of putting their eggs in one basket then they got overtaken and fell off the map.]]>Jul 30th 2009 3:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
http://www.theiphoneblog.com/images/stories/2009/05/gartner_smartphone_marketshare.jpg]]>Jul 30th 2009 3:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Or you could read it as "Apple doubles market share while RIM only grows with 50%".]]>Jul 30th 2009 4:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
Only if you were being really, really silly.]]>Jul 30th 2009 4:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 4:15PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 4:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
And if - or when - something as compelling or better comes along they're screwed.]]>Jul 30th 2009 5:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
Yes RIM has sold more phones that Apple, but, the whole hype around it is that apple is selling their phones at a much higher rate then RIM.]]>Jul 30th 2009 8:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
Except they actually aren't.]]>Jul 31st 2009 5:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
I think Palm's Web OS has a great chance of surviving if it can grab into corporate America, the people it is really marketed towards according to ARS Technica. RIM will be around. Nokia's lack of inovation in the smart phone segment matches that of microsoft and I could see both of those platforms falling appart without any major overhauls.

Android is just like linux in my opinion, it will always be relegated to a nitche environment of developers, it lacks the polish of WebOS and the iPhone OS. There is a huge benefit in having the OS created by the manufacturer in that the operating system is better fit to the phone itself, creating a final product that is more cohesive (especially for RIM, Apple, and Palm). ]]>Jul 31st 2009 1:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Aug 1st 2009 7:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
Also, things are different this time around. What he SHOULD be asking is which of the OSes have compatibility with each other's applications? With the advent of Java as a language of choice for many mobile apps, there is a level of cross-compatibility.]]>Jul 30th 2009 2:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 2:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 2:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
The iPhone OS is essentially the Mac OS X but with some additional frameworks (i.e. related code libraries for doing things like interpreting data from the accelorometer) and the Cocoa Touch interface. Core frameworks are, I believe, basically the same. Certainly the lower-level aspects are the same.]]>Jul 30th 2009 3:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Correct me if I am wrong. ]]>Jul 30th 2009 2:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
So it's definitely a different platform, because OS X apps won't run on the iPhone OS and vice versa (well, not unless your a developer anyway), but Apple can leverage any technology improvements and bug fixes from the lower levels of OS X in the iPhone OS and vice versa. This is in contrast to Microsoft's efforts, where the Windows Mobile is entirely different from the desktop version for all intents and purposes.]]>Jul 30th 2009 3:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 2:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
With the switch to QT, I think Symbian will become very competitive in the smartphone space, no matter how you define "smartphone".]]>Aug 8th 2009 1:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 2:25PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 2:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
Android's Linux roots may appeal to gadget enthusiasts but for the consumer user this isn't really much of a big deal at all, they want a solid experience. So far Android hasn't really taken off as much as some predicted, and part of that is the sometimes haphazard user experience, something that iPhone/BB/pre users aren't having to deal with. I think a Linux based phone will face alot of the same problems Linux has on the desktop. Without a strong guiding vision, the design will splinter and diverge.]]>Jul 30th 2009 2:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
Incorrect sir. It's irrelevant if the future of telephony is IP. There still needs to be infrastructure and technology allowing signals from a wireless device to connect to a wired IP network, and the carriers are the only ones willing ($$$$) to handle that need. ]]>Jul 30th 2009 2:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 2:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 2:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 2:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 3:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 3:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/I don't know about Palm making it in the long run.... I just don't see it happening. As an investor I was praying for a better reception but its hasn't been as good as I would of thought. Android/Winmo/Iphone/ and RIM will be around for a while though I do believe RIM will lose market share because lets be honest they are moving at a tortoise pace when it comes to innovation... I know they are doing good now but in a year or two... I doubt they will be in the same position.(BGR) recently posted an article on this subject matter ]]>Jul 30th 2009 3:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 3:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
User experience won't change among most phones, simply because of the Open Handset Alliance. Google is not telling manufacturers what their phone must have, like a dedicated search button. Every Android phone except the G1 has one. Its why Samsung isn't playing Android. Google now has a heavy hand in Android hardware development and now instead of Android being a kernel (one android, many different distros samsun distro, htc distro, same engine but different wheels) its not the Entire Os on these phones. You can now, as a hardware manufacturer only build up on Android, not change his parts.

Good for users, but bad for hardware mans.]]>Jul 30th 2009 3:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 3:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
Actually Symbian's smartphone market share increased to 41% last quarter. I wouldn't write them off because of the entrenchment factor.]]>Jul 30th 2009 4:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
Here's what I see happening:

The surviving OS's will include Apple's, RIM, Android, and Windows Mobile. Symbian is in long term danger, and Palm is still a big question mark.

2 years from now, Android will be sitting at #1, with enough phones to blanket the market and completely alter the best laid plans of your evil neighborhood cellular carriers. By then, the carriers, will be barreling headlong toward becoming dumb datapipes and incapable of pillaging consumers any longer for ringtones or screensavers or charging for 500 byte text messages. The Cartel in Cupertino will have backed the iPhone into the profitable but expensive and exclusive niche that all Apple products occupy. And WM7 will regain Microsoft some marketshare, but can never really challenge Android, unless Microsoft decides to give it away for free as well, but that's not their business model.

Android wins, and consumers win.]]>Jul 30th 2009 4:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
"I think so, though it'll take a few years. Their market share, while massive, is quickly faltering while many of the others are rising. They need something really, really good in order to turn that trend around and, at least with the N97, I don't really see that happening."


i'll just leeave this here: http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n97_and_5800_xpressmusic_are_vodafone_uks_best_sellers-news-1025.php]]>Jul 30th 2009 4:39PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.gadgetteaser.com/tag/nokia-market-share/]]>Jul 30th 2009 4:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 5:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
"A good example would be the RAZR since I doubt the majority of people who have owned one could name the OS running on it."


That would P2K if I'm not mistaken for GSM RAZRs/SLVRs and P2K5 for GSM KRZR and L9/72

The only reason that I know this is because I've done lots of MotoModding for a while now.

It's no android (not even close) but customizing every aspect of the device is fun as hell.]]>Jul 30th 2009 7:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 31st 2009 2:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/
You don't have a lot of Symbian devices in NA so you dismiss it outright. Right now it is the dominant OS for smartphone OS and a whopping 43%-49% of the market share (smartphone). This is not including the billions of devices it's ALREADY on and in operation. So a couple billion Symbian devices vs 17 mill iphone OS vs the other odd millions in other devices. Right now it's quite clear that Symbian isn't quite going anywhere yet.

The one area in which Symbian OS still outplays most other OS is in it's ability to allow proper mobile execution. While everyone is so hooked-on-phonics with "touchscreens", they think the market is going to be dominated by 2hand optimised devices. Fail. One of the fundmentals of mobile phones and even other mobile devices is about being accessible and optimised for operations in a MOBILE enviroment. This does not simply mean it's easy to put in your pocket but that you can pull it off and effectively use it 1handed and in most cases, without ever looking at your devices; something Nokia and symbian is well known for.

Usability of the OS is only 1 part of the equation. Nokia may eventual phase out symbian from their devices but at the moment I doubt it. Their touchscreen devices only make up a very small segment of their devices and at most these would be phase out in favor of using a different OS deisgned specifically for touch. non-touch devices will still be more popular, more practical and more usable ( in real world use) and in the end, I see no rationale for other device makers dropping out of symbian as a platform totally. For this market, symbian devices dominate for a reason. NA mindset is still terribly PC centric and everything ppl have been reporting and saying just reinforces that belief that NA still doesn't yet understand the mobile environment.

2hand touch devices (phones, tablets etc) will fill a market but the largest portion of the market will be filled by 1hand optimised and operable devices.]]>Aug 2nd 2009 11:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 2:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/30/entelligence-six-is-much-too-much/Jul 30th 2009 2:51PM