http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 3:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 4:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/WinMo6.5 is a "skin" for WinCE 5.
Not WinMo 5.]]>Aug 2nd 2009 4:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
It is a skin, a hack, or whatever. Basically HTC is doing its traditional magic of making up for an insecure, incomplete, and haphazardly designed mobile OS.

Now imagine if HTC put the same effort into a publicly documented API and AppStore.

Granted, with all the lowlevel software engineers and firmware authors they have to employ to make up for Microsoft's Unoperating system, why not just start with a Linux base from the get go?]]>Aug 2nd 2009 5:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
they have done that, the hero uses htc's skin over an open source os. i'd take it over win mo anything any day]]>Aug 2nd 2009 8:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 11:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.pocketmac.net/products/tunessync_windowsmobile/index.html]]>Aug 2nd 2009 12:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/There are many things to criticize about Windows Mobile, but security is not one of them, especially when compared to the competition. The iPhone and Android are jokes security wise. Those are OSs you can hack over SMS, or simply bypass their logon screens, or send remote commands like you send messages and get them executed. Yes, they corrected those bugs, but they keep finding horrible bugs like those as fast as they can look at them. Additionally, the devices have very little collateral tools to mitigate those flaws, and things like remote wipe and device encryption are just being addressed now. So if you want to call Windows Mobile uncool, slow or buggy, I'm with you (at least until 6.1). But to call it insecure is to completely ignore the state of the market.]]>Aug 6th 2009 10:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 9:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 3:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
Its just that its kind of slow (especially IE), and the screen transitions are not smooth, and will never be until 7 comes out which embeds better app launching and smooth transitions. Go look for a video of a 6.5 rom running on the TG01. The thing is a speed demon. The interface changes are not choppy because the processor is so damn fast to render them.

One of the other problems is that the TD2 is running on the same shitty Qualcomm processor that is in my Touch Pro, with an extra crutch which is the 800x480 screen. I dont think this would be a problem if WinMo had its interface similar to Vista/7, where its all rendered by the graphics hardware, but that doesnt happen on 6.5.

Being a current 6.5 user, it has no bugs that I can see. But is it good? For Windows Mobile, yes, it is really good. Its the best thing to happen to Windows Mobile in a long time. Compared to others? I don't think its nearly enough.

They cant (and apparently wont) be resting on their laurels but all this recent talk of WinMo has reassured their commitment to the platform.]]>Aug 2nd 2009 1:03PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
/rant over]]>Aug 2nd 2009 2:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
Right now - I just opened up Engadget's page. From my home screen I scrolled down to Favorites. Then I scrolled over to Engadget. Simple click and IE launches. In less than 4 seconds from switching on my device I have Engadgets home page (mobile version) loaded. It's just as fast, if not faster, than performing the same task with an iPhone.

All of my apps open within a second or two. Navigation is super easy. When I show my iPhone friends my device they are generally impressed. Having used Android on a G1 and after playing around with different folks' iPhone, I still prefer Windows Mobile 6.5.]]>Aug 2nd 2009 3:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 7:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 3:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
Okay, I was really starting to give up on WinMo for a host of reason most generally categorized as being not very user friendly, but this has totally won me over. I can definitely see why its release kept getting pushed back. It really seems to have been finger-optimized and IE: WHAT AN IMPROVEMENT.

I honestly want to give up my current phone for a phone running WinMo 6.5, apparently renamed, Windows Phone OS. I just really hope they have stringent hardware requirements to stop this OS being run on an underpowered device.]]>Aug 2nd 2009 4:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
The top level is, below that is still the usual mish-mish of pull-downs and tick-boxes.]]>Aug 2nd 2009 4:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
Which incorporates the kinetic scrolling found throughout the rest of the OS. Makes those list boxes a million times better. Never had a problem with small check boxes. ]]>Aug 3rd 2009 1:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 4:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
What you see in the video is the default WinMo 6.5 interface screens, which actually works pretty well, after using it for a couple of months now thanks to the people at XDA-Developers.com .]]>Aug 2nd 2009 4:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 4:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
Watching the video, the guy never needed to pull out a stylus, and it looked touch friendly enough. At the same time, even if a stylus was needed, it's not that much of a nuisance to pull it out or tap the tip of your finger on the icon. ]]>Aug 2nd 2009 7:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 9:21PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 4:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 5:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
Toshiba's TG01 uses a real current generation processor (the 1Ghz snapdragon). That phone with WM 6.5's crazy fast (the 6.1 version with the crappy Toshiba skin's bogged down by their stupid un-optimized stripe UI).]]>Aug 2nd 2009 4:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 5:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 5:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
It might be highly functional but when it looks like shit and is a bitch to use.....

WinMo7 cant come quick enough]]>Aug 2nd 2009 5:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 5:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
Ive used Blackberries and of course the much hated iPhone and their interfaces are far superior usability wise, even if they lack a few features WinMo packs.

The WinMo hasnt seen a UI overhaul since its inception. I began using WinMo with WinMo 2003 SE, then WinMo 6, then 6.1 then 6.5...nothing has changed.

If Palm can pull a better UI out of its arse when on the bring of bankruptcy..a multi billion dollar corporation should be able to do the same.]]>Aug 2nd 2009 6:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
No, that would be an opinion. It's OK. Not great but it does what it's supposed to.]]>Aug 2nd 2009 7:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 6:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 6:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Almost makes you wish that there was a Chrome for Windows Mobile, lol.]]>Aug 2nd 2009 7:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 7:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
Don't blame the hardware, because the Touch Diamond 2 runs better hardware than 95% of the WM phones on the market. So if this Phone can't handle it then none of them can. Flash was never meant to be used on a mobile device so until adobe can create a smaller footprint or magically decrease it's system requirements we will contnue having bad experiences with it.]]>Aug 2nd 2009 10:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
The browser actually runs quite well on the Toshiba phone.
]]>Aug 2nd 2009 12:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 1:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/And yes I know about Skyfire but that's not a true local browser, and all your data has to go through the skyfire server. Even then on a good connection the new webkit browsers on a good phone actually run a lot faster than it.]]>Aug 2nd 2009 6:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 9:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 6:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 7:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 7:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/So why would anybody buy a POS iphone in this android day and age?]]>Aug 2nd 2009 8:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
As for Android, it shows a lot of promise but after reading Engadget's review of HTC Hero and trying one out, it's evident it still needs a lot of work.]]>Aug 2nd 2009 8:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
How long do you think before HTC use more powerful processors? Six months? Nine?]]>Aug 2nd 2009 10:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/Aug 2nd 2009 1:12PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
If only HTC, Samsung, and other makers of Windows Mobile device would just get Tegra or Snapdragon chips in...]]>Aug 2nd 2009 7:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/02/windows-mobile-6-5-htc-touch-diamond2-and-flash-collide-on-vid/
Windows phone 7 (windows mobile is being rebranded as windows phone) is a while off (some time in 2010 - see here:http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10300318-56.html) and the first offical 6.5 phone will be out in the next six weeks or so...

"If only HTC, samsung, and other makers of Windows Mobile device would just get Tegra or snapdragon chips in"

Would make no real odds until windows phone 7. 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5 were not written to take advantage of those chipsets and will always be slightly crippled (someone will be along shortly, I'm sure, to give more technical details).]]>Aug 2nd 2009 7:14AM