http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/ Engadget Comments for Altek crams a dozen megapixels of wishful thinking into T8680 cameraphone http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 4th 2009 9:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 4th 2009 11:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/
12MB bay be overkill.... 5 would suffice no?

The FM receiver seems cool... especially when you're away from your office/home.]]>Aug 4th 2009 2:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/
Clearly they are just a CAMERA with a phone slapped into it as a second thought.

So these are in essence a PHONE-CAMERA]]>Aug 4th 2009 10:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 4th 2009 11:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 4th 2009 9:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 4th 2009 9:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/at 12mp, with a 3x optical zoom, would i be able to zoom in and crop twice as much as a 6mp 6x optical zoom in iphoto and end up with the same detail?

(i.e. take a picture zoomed in on 6 of 12 people with the 6mp, but capture all 12 with the 12mp and crop in on the same 6 people and end up with the same quality)?]]>Aug 4th 2009 9:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/
Don't worry about megapixels, just compose your shots the best you can, and if possible, don't use a camera phone.]]>Aug 4th 2009 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/
But to get to what I think is the meat of the question, the image resolution would be roughly the same if you did this. But I'd recommend against planning to heavily crop photos later, when you can just get in closer at the moment you take the picture. ]]>Aug 4th 2009 10:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/i'm still quite new to digital. having a hell of a time even trying to figure out what resolution/bit depth to scan in my existing prints (most 4x6) to equate to my 6mp camera (with a great 10x optical zoom, btw).]]>Aug 4th 2009 10:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/
For those who claims they cannot see the difference between a 3mpx and a 12 mpx photo, please enroll in a digital photo editing course and register yourself with the nearest optometrist.]]>Aug 4th 2009 11:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/
The camera phones usually have such a bad lenses that at 12Mpx 50% or more of pixels are garbage. Even P&S cameras strugle above 10MPx and the manufacturers know it.

Just look at test photos in sites like dpreview. Get the max enlargement and look at corners. You can see coordisopersion, loss of contrast etc. The lens is such a limiting factr that 12MPx figure is just to bambooze customers. Optimist in me hopes that one day customers stop to stare at megapixels and start to think about imagequality but the pessimist in me knows that it wont happen until somebody invents a reliable way to measure it and use in advertisements.

Sizewise this phones lens looks big enough to 10MPx but I doubt the quality is enough. The names Zeiss and Schneider Kreuznach aren't there just for getting some credibility. They make good lenses and it shows. This probably inhouse product and that will too show.

So before buying this or any other camera look at test shots. Use different enlargments and decide when the image starts to look bad. Most of these cameras start to show compromises at 4MPx.

]]>Aug 4th 2009 5:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/anyways, not all people have the same needs, so there is definitly a wide public for that phone.]]>Aug 4th 2009 10:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 4th 2009 10:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 4th 2009 10:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 4th 2009 11:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/
Personally I download all my photos into my PC before sending for public consumption. Mis-educated?... Boy! Are you guys misguided.]]>Aug 4th 2009 11:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/
That being said, this thing does make more sense than all the other camera phones out there, wouldn't be surprised if it is the best camera in a phone on the market, mainly because it should have a bigger sensor and a better lens.]]>Aug 4th 2009 11:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 4th 2009 10:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 4th 2009 11:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/
But if you take a look at a photo scaled to a 1440x900 monitor, that's about 1.3MP. 1080p HD video is 2MP. When DSLRs first hit the market, the pros were shooting for magazines at 3MP. The quality of a photo has very little to do with the number of pixels once you get above 2 or 3MP. ]]>Aug 4th 2009 11:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/
I doubt that the device itself will be very good (especially the phone part), never heard of Altek, but as a camera it should perform quite decent, probably like most noname cameras. It makes much more sense than for example the LG Renoir.]]>Aug 4th 2009 11:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 4th 2009 11:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 4th 2009 6:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/
Anyway I do think that $400 is really stretching it a bit, the phone part won't be good, and the camera part won't be brilliant as well. I'd rather buy some tiny Sony, Casio, Olympus, etc. instead and an ordinary phone.]]>Aug 4th 2009 6:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 6th 2009 2:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 4th 2009 11:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 4th 2009 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/
And if you want good pictures, then you should know "what's the lense inside or anything..." and that it's spelled "lens."

I take several hundred photos a week, and I scan through for the best photos, crop them, adjust the color a bit, and send them off for public consumption. I get paid to do this. I'm not the only person here who does.

Now, I am not saying you have to become an expert. You don't. I'm sure you're more skilled in some other areas than I am, and photography skills are not the basis for your worth as a person. But don't come in here shouting about needing 12 megapixels and then follow up with an admission that you don't know a damn thing about digital photography, or how to spell "lens," or that digital images don't get developed, or throw in "interpolation algo" in a situation where there is more data (interpolation would be used to make a 12MP photo out of a 3MP photo).

I invite you to invest in a beginner's DSLR, buy a book about photography, and listen to other people, rather than shouting about how this product that nobody has ever seen is exactly what you and the other pros need.]]>Aug 4th 2009 11:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 4th 2009 12:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 4th 2009 12:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 4th 2009 11:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/
http://tnkgrl.wordpress.com/2007/02/08/i-mobile-902-first-impressions/

There was no optical zoom, and the phone was otherwise similar in features to the Sony Ericsson W800i (ie. tri-band GPRS only). Nonetheless it OK overall, and awesome as a camera.

So perhaps this is similar... Maybe I'll get my hands on one!]]>Aug 4th 2009 2:13PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/04/altek-crams-a-dozen-megapixels-of-wishful-thinking-into-t8680-ca/Aug 5th 2009 9:43AM