http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/ Engadget Comments for Apple and Google made informal deal to not pilfer each other's employees? http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 8th 2009 10:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 8th 2009 10:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/
mmmm

thats a nice piece of ASSociate there...]]>Aug 8th 2009 10:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 9th 2009 1:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 8th 2009 10:06PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 8th 2009 10:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/That being said, I find it hard to believe that these firms would do something so crazy and obviously wrong. I wonder what Google would say about how this fits into their "Do no evil" Mantra they like to keep chanting.]]>Aug 8th 2009 10:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/
Question and Answer Session.

1) Which company is about to release a tablet computer?

2) Which other and much bigger company is also about to release a tablet computer?

3) Which company started as a technical blogging company?

4) In who's interest is it for small blogging company to stir up shit about large fruit company?

Rinse, repeat.

Dear old Arrington wants to generate news about his tablet so he is now publishing on almost a daily basis anti Apple articles. Big ones at the weekend to get everyone upset. He's getting his mates like Jason Calacanis to do the same thing too.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Oh btw did TechCrunch mention they have a tablet coming out?]]>Aug 8th 2009 11:01PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/
Also:
"union rules"? Smarten up. These employees aren't covered by any union. And what if they were? The feds aren't the enforcement arm for the unions.]]>Aug 9th 2009 12:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 9th 2009 12:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Palm has done what you suggest, they hired a lot of Apple folks.]]>Aug 9th 2009 12:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 9th 2009 1:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 9th 2009 2:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/
"The feds aren't the enforcement arm for the unions."

Ummmm, try reading about what the SEIU has done over the past few days. Not only are they the new "enforcement" arm of the feds, but the feds also call out the SEIU to do their dirty work (HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius called the SEIU on the 7th to thank them for their support - a day after they sent a man to the hospital for selling "DONT TREAD ON ME" flags).]]>Aug 9th 2009 2:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 9th 2009 3:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 9th 2009 5:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/
I fell and hurt my enforcement arm.]]>Aug 9th 2009 12:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/
Anti-competitive collusion is making secret agreements regarding the market that products are sold in. I don't think that agreements concerning poaching each other's employees applies here, since these companies are not in the business of selling employees.

Now, there may be other employee-related laws that may come into play (this may be kind of related to blacklists), but even that seems a bit far-fetched given what's been reported.]]>Aug 9th 2009 1:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/
And this does nothing for employee valuations as it is simply two companies with a an agreement not to cold-call employees --- It didn't deny the employees themselves from seeking jobs at either company.]]>Aug 9th 2009 6:43PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 8th 2009 10:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 9th 2009 10:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 8th 2009 10:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 8th 2009 10:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 8th 2009 10:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 8th 2009 10:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/
Well that should be quite obvious.

Clever to bring the fight back up here. Good move. I see you are the strength in this united front.
DO NOT JUST MOVE ALONG PEOPLE!!!! Read on.

Also nice that I've been connected to someone of which I'm not. Guilty by association. Nice tactic.

You are correct I have been advocating the point of view that this very connection is part of a bigger much bigger issue. It's good that you read. So do not think I don't respect you, but just because you've managed to make it inconvenient for people to stumble on the facts doesn't mean you win. I don't miss a thing. smooches ladies. :D]]>Aug 9th 2009 4:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 8th 2009 10:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 8th 2009 10:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/
Yeah, I'm going to guess they've got enough "friends"...

How about you, how you doin' lately?]]>Aug 8th 2009 10:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/
I don't understand how this news implies that this is now a closed case in any way. If anything, it's indicative that this should be investigated further.]]>Aug 8th 2009 11:18PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 8th 2009 11:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 8th 2009 11:30PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/05/23/apple_said_building_1_billion_server_farm.html

How about the fact that a Federal judge threw out Pystar's anti trust claims and less than a month later the FTC makes similar accusations! Saying the two are not connected is just naive! Anti Trust violation claims are Anti Trust Claims, they all lead to the same end.
These people are breaking the law and the fed is covering up for them!]]>Aug 8th 2009 11:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/
If the companies worked together to blackball people who left one company for the other, or if they tried to stop other companies from hiring their own employees, it'd be one thing. But this is just a case of companies not actively trying to poach employees from certain places.

If the info is right, you could even interview at Google when working at Apple, you just wouldn't get recruiter calls from Google when working at Apple.

And as big as Google and Apple are, they don't control a majority (or even near it) of the tech worker jobs nationwide or even Silicon Valley.]]>Aug 9th 2009 12:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 9th 2009 12:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/
I fully understand that there are differences in the 3 iphones and the ipod touches, but those small differences do not add up to 23.97 billion. Apple makes the new iPhone 3G S for less than $200

Dr. Eric E. Schmidt being on Google and Apple's Board of Directors when Apple makes an OS or a few. Oh wait Google makes an OS or two also. Apple makes smartphones. Oh wait Google is in the smartphone business. Google is Safari's default search engine. Google maps is the default maps app on the iPhone.

Any corporations so brazen as to openly flaunt such breaking of the law has reached a point where they do not fear people knowing they are breaking the law. That logically leads to they have to have some fed backup to know they can openly break the law. Standard operating procedure at a Board of Directors meeting. First read the minutes of the last meeting. The lame excuse that the Board members in question were never at board meeting at the same time so they couldn't share any information is BS. One they go over what they went over before, second aforementioned board members talk out side the board room. We are to believe that these board members never talked at meetings , much less never talked outside the board room?!]]>Aug 9th 2009 12:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Regular employees have not contracts. And again, if you read the article, the agreement did not prevent anyone from leaving and going to the other company and in fact seems not to even have stopped them from interviewing. So your comment that somehow it has something to do with anti-compete after you leave the company is way, way, way off base.

iRoc:
Schmidt being on the board is a different issue, discussed in a different topic. I was referring to the alleged no-poaching agreement, which is what we are discussing here.]]>Aug 9th 2009 1:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 9th 2009 1:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/The FTC didn't report such a thing. So maybe you were there when the alleged agreement was put in force? Oh no, you weren't? Then don't do telling others you know how the agreement came about.

The board thing is a separate issue, whether it's about one person or sharing multiple people. This article and discussion (at least my comments) are about the alleged anti-cold calling agreement.

Pro-tip: "convenient" is not a proper noun, you don't have to capitalize it in the middle of a sentence.]]>Aug 9th 2009 1:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/
In a terse statement, FTC bureau of competition director Richard Feinstein said:

“We have been investigating the Google/Apple interlocking directorates issue for some time and commend them for recognizing that sharing directors raises competitive issues, as Google and Apple increasingly compete with each other. We will continue to investigate remaining interlocking directorates between the companies.”

You'll notice that it says directors, and directorates. Not "We are investigating Schmidt."

Don't try to push the facts aside! They can't be swept under the rug for convenience.

Why are you getting all bent out of shape for anyway? This has nothing to do with you right? Unless you are here for misinformation purposes You are behaving like I am making things up, and that just is not the case.

Look here http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10233187-37.html
It clearly reports that Apple and Google are sharing TWO board members!. You can try to mince the facts but the facts are the facts. They don't just go away! It takes a lot of work to sanitize the truth. People notice when blog posts get deleted. Some people turn them into screen captures and pdf's ]]>Aug 9th 2009 2:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 9th 2009 2:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/That FTC statement says nothing about the agreement not to cold call employees, which again is all my discussion is about. If you want to discuss the issue of shared board members (including the number of them), you can discuss it with yourself.

You have failed to prove the point at hand.

Poet licensing tip: Good poets don't need to capitalize words to help people figure out what the key concepts are. Write good prose and people will understand what you mean.

English tip:
A pronoun is not the same thing as a proper noun.]]>Aug 9th 2009 2:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/
The two subjects are Directly related. To say they aren't is a blatant lie. Your lack of the ability to see that, is Directly related to why 75% of students don't get poetry at first, and ridicule and label those that do.

You obviously have no reading comprehension at all.
This only can go down 3 ways.
1. You just do not possess the gray matter to put the simple pieces together (This was going to be that you just were not aware of the facts, but I provided you with links to reputable sources that show the facts. So that's not the case. But you could still just be ignorant because out of it not being Convenient for you to educate yourself to the real facts of the subject matter)
2. You are brainwashed and it's too painful for you to look into the light of the facts.
3. You are well adjusted to the fact you know the truth and are still desperately fighting to maintain that facade.

2 is not dependent on 3, but 3 is intricately connected to 2.
And 3 is just plain sad. I hope for your own self worth's sake it's not Probable # 3 that's the real answer. Oh, but being as you are trying so hard to prove that the two are not connected, and saying this OP doesn't mention the two being connected that only logically leads to you are purposefully trying to hide the facts. Or you are one of those 75% that does indeed need the author to Capitalize letters to give weight and importance to a particular word, because this very article clearly draws a connection between Schmidt and the "Do not pilfer the other's employees" Facts are facts. Facts are not opinions. Facts are based in reality. Opinions are based in emotions and beliefs. Beliefs are strongly held ideals that are not based in fact. They are based in faith, and faith is the acceptance of something that has no tangible proof.

Are you seriously trying to make me make you look stupid? I have given you chance after chance to educate yourself. I have managed to civil when you make weak and thinly veiled slights, But NOW you are just being closed minded, and rude. That is the path of the coward, and the weak minded. Sorry sweetheart, but your have a negative midichlorian count. Your masters are weak, and you are hollow. empty, without substance, full of wax! Oh let me explain full of wax. Sincere comes from Latin and means WITHOUT WAX, because master piece sculptures are without wax. Inferior quality sculptures were often filled in with wax to cover over the rough tool marks made by the sub par sculptor. A master sculpture would be able to use the tools to smooth over the rough tool marks, and the surface would be smooth.
You young lady are not Sincere. I tell you what go recruit 7 of your friends to come help you educate me, and I bet you still fall short.

Silly tart.

Oh yeah and I'm fully aware that you are most likely male. :D]]>Aug 9th 2009 3:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/
Are you seriously trying to make me make you look stupid? I have given you chance after chance to educate yourself. I have managed to civil when you make weak and thinly veiled slights, But NOW you are just being closed minded, and rude. That is the path of the coward, and the weak minded. Sorry sweetheart, but your have a negative midichlorian count. Your masters are weak, and you are hollow. empty, without substance, full of wax! Oh let me explain full of wax. Sincere comes from Latin and means WITHOUT WAX, because master piece sculptures are without wax. Inferior quality sculptures were often filled in with wax to cover over the rough tool marks made by the sub par sculptor. A master sculpture would be able to use the tools to smooth over the rough tool marks, and the surface would be smooth.
You young lady are not Sincere. I tell you what go recruit 7 of your friends to come help you educate me, and I bet you still fall short."

How quaint.

Did you quote Star Wars lore in that faux-elitist missive?

Yeah, you did. ]]>Aug 9th 2009 3:39AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Glad you caught that captain obvious. It was rather blatant, even a two parter.

You chose the facts are facts. The inclusion of the facts are really indisputable in your argument shows some true colors.

So tell me are you inferring that I am fakely rich and powerful, or that my view are upstanding and deserve to be held up as a guide to govern fundamental business ethics error. Well series of errors.

Seriously the best you got is my points are fake, and contrived? For if you are signing your John Hancock to that argument you might want to step back for a tad. Namely, because well any one that refuses to agree that facts are facts is saying nothing Sincere. Oh wait Nothing Sincere!
Here let me help you. You can point out the fact that I am a dyslexic typer, and I tend to leave punctuation out. That is easy to use to make me look stupid. You will notice I said stupid not ignorant. I am aware of it, and do notice and correct most of the time, but it still slips through so feel free to point that out often. You know, cuz smart people type really good and junk.

Really sad part you straight up feel for the Jedi mind trick, because once you can get someone to think about what you want them to think about you can get into their head. You can play a sweet but for them futile game of mental chess. Oh youngling pick your next topic well. THe game is a foot. ]]>Aug 9th 2009 4:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/
Or you could cut the bullshit, and just have a discussion without the inane, purile theatrics.

Nobody is amused or impressed but you, not that what you're doing makes any sense. ]]>Aug 9th 2009 10:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/
While Apple has a monopoly on "Mac OSX" and maybe on iPods, their sliver of the overall industry pie is trival, as is there share of the phone market.... Everybody's mad because they run a business that makes 25% of the PROFIT but in units sold Apple is below average compared to HP or Dell... who are in Microsoft's pocket.

Google's a one-trick pony with it's near-monopoly on ad business. As far as search they're less than a monopoly and the Microsoft-Yahoo deal makes them almost as big. The web browser and phone OS issues are trivial... everybody releases a web browser for free and Google is less than a bit player in Phone/Netbook OS space right now.

Legally, they could probably merge with no real problems, but it's not in either companies interest to be tied up like that. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Schmidt wasn't being considered as potential CEO of Apple when Jobs goes away.. after a transplant surgery it's a matter of when not if now.

As far as employment, many companies that are going to do extensive partnering and sharing of resources agree not to poach employees. I know my company had those agreements with some of our customers and vendors and it's a pretty standard thing for long term business partnerships. Apple sees Google as a partner for things like online service and search engines that Apple has no interest in developing anyway. Google gets a bunch of really cool customers if they open up just a little to Apple and Apple does most of the work adding Google features to Apple's programs... and all the "cool kids" use Apple know so it's a good place to be first on.]]>Aug 9th 2009 5:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 9th 2009 12:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/Aug 9th 2009 12:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/apple-and-google-made-informal-deal-to-not-pilfer-each-others-e/What about Age of Emp--Ensemble.

Hey, I hear they make good mice. ...I have a SideWinder..]]>Aug 9th 2009 1:18AM