http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/Aug 12th 2009 10:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/Aug 12th 2009 10:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/but it's true about the Nokia,It does sucks in the way how they build the cell phone]]>Aug 12th 2009 10:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/
Maemo is going to be used in high end Nokia phones and Symbian still stays. S60 is holding Symbian back, no matter how good the operating system is old UI is hindering it. We have to wait a bit until Direct UI is ready and S60/Avkon is totally kicked out. Maemo 5 is a big change compared to previous releases and it is completely finger optimized and it has HW accelerated UI. Obviously Nokia hasn't showed all about Maemo 5 in SDK's but thing are really interesting and both operating systems have interesting future.]]>Aug 12th 2009 11:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/Aug 12th 2009 11:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/
Don't be a dick, at least he has a second langauge, its a hard skill.]]>Aug 12th 2009 6:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/
This gauge you speak of, tell me about it]]>Aug 12th 2009 11:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/Aug 12th 2009 10:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/Aug 12th 2009 10:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/
First the Guardian tells us that Nokia will absolutely ditch Symbian for Android a couple of weeks ago, now the FTD says they'll drop Symbian in favor of Maemo...both without any sources of course.

Already refuted officially, btw:
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090812-702406.html]]>Aug 12th 2009 10:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/Aug 12th 2009 10:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/Aug 12th 2009 10:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/
What might happen though is maemo appearing on some high end smartphones, like this rumoured one, whilst S60 replaces S40 in the mid range, allowing for more mid range touchscreen phones like the 5800xm]]>Aug 12th 2009 10:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/
I've started to rate OS's by their consistent look and feel across 3rd party apps. For example, Macs seem to win since most mac apps look the same.. Maemo suffers horrible.. no two apps ever seem to look and behave the same. If you app needs to render buttons using a custom tool kit or simply a bit map file rather than using the operating systems standard look and feel .. not only are you making themes ineffective, but the os needs a facelift and a more facist approach to UI adoptation..

Even Nokia's own bundled maemo apps all look different.. terrible..

(Why does the facebook app on the N97 look different all other apps.. replace facebook with amazon, ap, reuters, accuweather.. they all look different.. Why? Because the vendors couldn't cope with such an ugly UI!!)
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I knew this story was probably false as of the M$ Office on a Linux Device, you had me in stitches. That software would cost the user more the Moemo OS. Open Office is already on there, no need for any other 'Office'.]]>Aug 13th 2009 12:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/
see this - http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=200908120255dowjonesdjonline000290&title=nokiaremain-strongly-committed-to-symbian-operating-system]]>Aug 12th 2009 10:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://twitter.com/PeterMaemo
"Since it is a popular subject right now: No, Nokia is not replacing Symbian with Maemo. Symbian and Maemo will continue to coexist."]]>Aug 12th 2009 10:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/Aug 12th 2009 10:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/Aug 12th 2009 10:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/
Its ahead of the game!]]>Aug 12th 2009 10:21AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/Aug 12th 2009 12:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/
They should just draft a good concept for their future philosophies on what the consumer needs, wants or affords, make the right investment(s) and stick with it. Though unfortunately, that would require at least some skill!]]>Aug 12th 2009 10:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/
Whew.]]>Aug 12th 2009 10:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/Aug 12th 2009 10:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/Aug 12th 2009 10:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/FAIL with capital letters.

And that doesn't mean that they cannot bring Maemo to high-end devices (at least to part of them) like they're doing with RX-51 (and perhaps RX-71). Anyway the whole dropping Symbian is total nonsense. Nokia has already said it like hundred times that Symbian will be important part of Nokia devices in future. And anyone in their right mind can see it in everything they have done during couple last years.]]>Aug 12th 2009 10:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/Aug 12th 2009 11:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/
But I hope these incessant and stupid rumors will fire up Nokia so much so that they'll redouble their effort in updating Symbian into a freaking awesome OS to shut these bullying rumor-mongers up for good.]]>Aug 12th 2009 11:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/
Please hire a journalist who has a clue about Nokia and let the rest of your writers concentrate on the latest iPhone rumours. The current quality of reporting is appalling.

Love,

Your Readers]]>Aug 12th 2009 11:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/
"Love,

Just Aaron and the rest of the stupid Nokia fanboys."
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Another Apple lover that doesn't possess the technical ability to use a phone that doesn't have big shiny icons. Who cares if you can get any work done with the stupid thing. It annoys me that somehow people believe Nokia gives a shit about the Iphone or it's users. Nokia sells more phones in a week then Apple sells in a month. The reason is many people find capacitive screens worthless, myself included. They do not allow the use of more precise input devices then your finger. Great when your playing stupid touch screen games, not so great when you need to draw out an equation or a character from a language like Japanese.

My Iphone is a media player with a phone, I use it to watch movies at work. My s60 device is used for getting work done, traveling internationally, and tethering without unlocking/jail breaking nonsense. Guess which one I could happily live without?

In short, save it. The people who like S60 and like Nokia's use of established technology which we can develop infrastructure upon are worth a whole lot more money then the "I maxed out my credit card to buy an Iphone cause my friends have one" crowd.

Business needs > Consumers, Nokia = Business Phone company 1st, consumer appeal 2nd.

Apple = Consumer phone kings, Business phone never... most companies with ATT large scale deployments forbid Iphones on their network because of added fee's ATT levies against them for their magic phone, It's why I stopped using mine.
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Years ago, when they introduced the E and N series, things seemed to clear up a bit. They had a clear business and a consumer lineup, a rather new and modern OS & interface (S60), the economy was booming, and on top of that, the current mobile trends were giving Nokia a convenient tailwind.

How things have changed.

For the past two years they've stagnated in crossroads, unable to make up their minds, almost as if they were unwilling to, and the intersections just keep adding up. Were they hoping the direction of the smartphone business would suddenly reverse, or were they just blind?

If they just stopped reaching in every goddamn direction and for once concentrated on a longterm philosophy, like they apparently did during the early days of the E and N series, they would be in a much healthier position.

The current way of handling things is possible only because they are still making money and they are financially pretty safe and sound, but unless things change, they can't afford to play this senseless game for much longer. This is exactly where you end up with poor and ignorant management. What a pity.]]>Aug 12th 2009 11:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/Aug 12th 2009 11:37AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/

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Nokia is not replacing Symbian , it is compartmentalising it. Maemo will be for top-end internet oriented devices while S60 will be for mid - low range devices....]]>Aug 12th 2009 11:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/Aug 12th 2009 12:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/Are you just naturally rude or do you have to work at it?]]>Aug 13th 2009 5:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/Aug 12th 2009 12:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/Aug 12th 2009 12:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/
While there are a few things I miss from my Nokia, but the BlackBerry cons outweigh a lot of the Nokia pros! One thing I loved on my older Motorola phones and now my BB, is the voice dialling. The program that Nokia used was complete rubbish. Not only did it work horribly, it didn't even verify names, it just dialled it.

That all being said, if Nokia makes several changes, including tossing out Symbian, I very well may go back to Nokia. I often find that is the case. I start off with Nokia, then I made the mistake of having a few Motorolas then go back to Nokia for a few more models, then now I get a BlackBerry, and most likely will keep this for some time, but then I may go back to Nokia once again.

All I have to say is, I will not get an iPhone. While I do have the iPod Touch, and think it is fantastic, I hate using it for email which is why I got a BlackBerry to begin with.

Nokia makes more and more phones but it is using the same base OS and hasn't changed in years.

I hope Maemo does come out, even though I don't know anything about it, I think any change at this point is for the good.

As a side, why whenever you guys post links in a foreign language, you insist on using Google Translate? Can you please give the original link AND the translated for those that need it. I ask, because my company blocks any website that redirects itself like how Google Translate does, websites that are IP address based (don't blame me, blame the IT managers)]]>Aug 12th 2009 12:26PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/
The origin is right there in the Google translator's URL. It shouldn't be that hard for you to copy and paste it from there...?]]>Aug 12th 2009 12:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/
It's still pink in the UK the country it's from......]]>Aug 12th 2009 12:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/


Nokia has no idea what they WANT to do.

Maemo, Android, Windows, Symbian, Qt, Orbit, Intel UI kit, Brew, Java, S60....
They are the new Motorola, they have their hands in everything...of course except OSX and Apple stuff.

They should focus on Maemo and Android. Symbian is polishing a turd, Qt is *too bloated* and Java is so '90's.. Sure they paid good $$$ for those items, but that's the cost of NOT doing R&D.]]>Aug 12th 2009 12:42PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/
Nokia knows exactly what they want:

- Maemo to face off against iPhone and Android;
- S60 for everything else - what will be incredible: even the former dumbphones will be smartphones to some extent.

If Maemo 5 is hot enough, Nokia will be in a great position in both high and middle-end markets.

It CAN change in the future with Symbian^4 released - what will take at least 2 years, so it's not relevant right now.]]>Aug 12th 2009 1:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/12/nokia-rumored-to-be-kicking-symbian-os-to-the-curb-moving-in-wi/
Android? Windows? Brew? Where are you getting your information from?

"Qt is *too bloated*"

Care to explain how it's too bloated? Have you used Qt on Maemo/Symbian? None of the desktop Qt apps I've used are slow.]]>Aug 12th 2009 1:50PM