http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/ Engadget Comments for Entelligence: Stains on the sleeve of my operating system http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 13th 2009 6:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/[Dolph writes "Beat up Martin" which the Newton translates as "Eat up Martha"]
Bah!

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Only some people know dvorak

Switching would be like coming up with a complete new way of driving with laws, lanes, turn signals - everything. Do you really expect to re-teach everybody, including the elderly, and not have a major disaster on your hands?]]>Aug 13th 2009 6:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.reason.com/news/show/29944.html]]>Aug 13th 2009 7:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 13th 2009 7:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/
(I do use dvorak btw)]]>Aug 13th 2009 7:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/[February 1889]: "In the Brooklyn demonstration he typed 142 words per minute in a five-minute test, 179 words per minute in a single minute, and 198 words per minute for 30 seconds. He was accompanied by George McBride, who typed 129 words per minute blindfolded. Both men used the non-QWERTY Caligraph machine" [from the Reason article]]]>Aug 13th 2009 7:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 13th 2009 8:09PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/
That article has been thoroughly debunked. Anyone who knows anything about how QWERTY and Dvorak compare can spot all sorts of errors just by reading it. The authors clearly used the Dvorak/Qwerty rivalry to highlight their economic theories, and didn't bother spending much time to make sure they got it right.

http://dvorak.mwbrooks.com/dissent.html

Qwerty was "good enough" for a day when converting a typewriter would have been extremely expensive. Now it's just crap.

I've meet dozens of one-time mac users switching back to Windows (heck, I'm one), I've never even heard of a Dvorak typist going back.]]>Aug 13th 2009 8:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/
about 5-6 of my friends have tried, and all switched their computers back. here are a couple of reasons which i observed:

1) they had to use qwerty anyways when they used somebody elses computer or a lab's computer
2) it was difficult to learn since they had to have an image on screen to remember where the keys were since they didnt want to buy little stickers. sure it can be overcome overtime, but it is a pretty large learning curve
3) when someone else used their computer curses insued and they had to rush over to change it back to qwerty.
4) their typing speed actually suffered since they hadnt fully memorized the layout. (although this problem would be overcome once they learned it, but again.. big learning curve)
5) everyone made fun of them.

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the only real people that go to dvorak is people who actually want the extra speed. when 90% of the population cant break 30 wpm on qwerty, what makes you think that dvorak will improve their typing speed anyways? ]]>Aug 13th 2009 8:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/I use qwerty because I have it available and I'm trained. I don't know why you use it, maybe you know. Clearly, qwerty is superior, since we use it.]]>Aug 13th 2009 9:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/
the US is pretty much officially metric. it's just that switching is incredibly difficult.

http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/usmetric.html]]>Aug 13th 2009 10:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/
Tried and gave up /= Mastered, judge inferior, and switched back.

For example in the Windows/Mac analogy, it takes awhile to get used to a new OS like a Mac. But very few people buy a mac and turn around and get ride of it in a few months. No, they generally use it for a year or two or three, and then purchase a PC as their next computer. You would never take someone's word for it who stuck with it for 3 weeks.

The very fact that people didn't finish, and switched back, proves exactly why QWERTY is still around despite its inferiority. As the standard, there are OUTSIDE COSTS associated with switching that have nothing to do with the inherent quality of the keyboard layout.

Every single thing you mentioned is one of them. I've never denied the costs. But I still proclaim the significant superiority of Dvorak when objectively compared to Qwerty.

There are several simple java applets floating around that straight up prove how much more efficient it is just by copy/pasting some text in.

BTW, I don't think Dvorak is the best layout out there. On a scale of 1-10, if Qwerty is a 5, Dvorak is a 9 (nearly double), and Colemak is a 10. So you could ask me, why don't I switch to Colemak? Well, the costs you mentioned are not worth it to me for the small gain, although I often recommend new typists learn Colemak instead of Dovark even though the costs are higher (Colemak isn't built into the standard OSs, so you'll always have to load it instead of just changing a setting.)






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From what I understand, the QWERTY keyboard was designed to slow down a typist to prevent the typewriter from jamming.]]>Aug 14th 2009 12:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Besides, there are tons of people who are using more and more mobile devices for most of their typing, and when you're typing with thumbs, I suspect dvorak or qwerty make little difference.
In any case, this first post with its entirety of comments have gone completely off on a tangent.]]>Aug 14th 2009 1:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/
Few people in the US know how much a liter is. But everyone knows how much two liters is.]]>Aug 14th 2009 1:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 14th 2009 2:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 14th 2009 4:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/
It covers all sides of the "debate" yet you all still debated over it. In summary, neither provided adequate performance benefits from each other. It points out which studies are myths, or not of high scholarship, and which studies are. ]]>Aug 14th 2009 8:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/

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"But very few people buy a mac and turn around and get ride of it in a few months. No, they generally use it for a year or two or three, and then purchase a PC as their next computer."

Not wishing to turn this discussion into an OS-related one, but what on earth make's you think that?]]>Aug 14th 2009 9:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 14th 2009 11:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/
It's sad that this urban myth is still ongoing. and the retraining takes time as well. so that makes Dvorak even less attractive. It may have a more efficient key placement but that doesn't necessarily speed up typists or reduce RSI.

I totally agree with the article that something revolutionary needs to happen in OS's. but Dvorak/qwerty isn't an applicable analogy. Dvorak/Qwerty is more like Windows/Mac slightly different paradigms that can each perform the same basic tasks.

And I really hope people aren't telling themselves that Linux is the answer. my favorite quote as of late is "Linux is free if you don't value your time". Something fundamental needs to change at the OS level. hardware is changing (core i7 gets rid of the FSB), OS should be following suit, innovating and doing away with things that are no longer needed (registries and dlls, maybe).

one of my other favorite quotes is "All computers suck, Macs just suck less" (if you want technical details why feel free to ask). I'm no Mac fanboy, but after living on Windows all my life, OS X is a real breath of fresh air.]]>Aug 14th 2009 12:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.reason.com/news/show/29944.html

read up. hard facts, with references that debunks the myth that Dvorak is superior and that we all use QWERTY because it was the first keyboard on the market.

I'm sick of hearing this qwerty vs. dvorak BS. people get as uppity about it as they get about the Mac vs. Windows debate (both are PCs, Personal Computers)]]>Aug 14th 2009 1:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 17th 2009 9:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 13th 2009 6:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 13th 2009 9:14PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 13th 2009 9:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 14th 2009 12:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 14th 2009 1:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/
The rest of the article is just B.S. It's not the saving and information retrieval problems that are 30 years old--it's the interface paradigms. Most of the problems he's complaining about are issues with Computer Science fundamentals. Yes, innovations like WinFS will help, but NTFS serves admirably for most tasks as-is. There's only so much a computer can discern on its own (through algroithms, etc.) before you've got to step in and do the legwork yourself. ]]>Aug 14th 2009 1:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Proof that anyone who says anything negative about MS or postive about Apple is labeled a 'fanboi' within the Engadget commenting community. Why don't you do a little research on Michael Gartenberg and then tell me he is an Apple 'fanboi'

Its people like you that make Gizmodo look better every day.]]>Aug 14th 2009 8:47AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/
http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/02/15/microsoft-hires-michael-gartenberg-as-new-evangelist/]]>Aug 14th 2009 8:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/
Its nice to see there is at least 1 other person who's mouth isnt full of ballmer. Now with your mouth full kids, say Developers, Developers, Developers!

Deberereors, Deberereors, Deberereors.]]>Aug 14th 2009 2:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 13th 2009 7:02PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/
It sucks when your machine dies, but blaming the OS for this is like blaming a builder for a building collapse when you yank out the dirt underneath the building. What was he supposed to do, exactly?]]>Aug 13th 2009 7:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 13th 2009 8:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/
It's an interesting idea and in the instance that your computer crashes on you it would be nice to just have your work back in your face, but I'm just not sure about it.]]>Aug 13th 2009 6:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/
The program saves a copy after every x changes or x minutes. However, the previous versions are also saved. Preferably they would not be separate files, but rolled into the main document. so lets say you highlight the doc, then in a preview panel all your previous revisions would show up in a list, allowing you to select one.]]>Aug 13th 2009 7:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 13th 2009 7:35PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 13th 2009 7:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 13th 2009 7:57PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/
Why doesn't every program that doesn't save a huge amount of data (anything that outputs text, xml, etc) have something like this?

Why do my digital camera's photos have to be called "DSC8805.JPG" and reside in /Users/Erik/Pictures/Camera/2009-05-03? Why doesn't the computer just *know* that I want to see pictures from my camera taken May 3, 2009, and they're just there, instead of having to box them away somewhere and then put a "layer" on top like Adobe Lightroom to do this tagging and sorting?

I really wish Microsoft hadn't neutered WinFS and then delayed it into the distant future. Even an absolute piece of crap version of this product would provoke others into improving on it.]]>Aug 14th 2009 1:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 14th 2009 1:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/
And the whole file storing system needs a huge overhaul, and everybody knows that, even Microsoft. Unfortunately, seems that it turned out to be a bigger task than what everybody thought, and probably will take a few more years and maybe a windows version or two.

In any case, these kinds of fundamental changes take time, PC industry is too big of a ship to turn around quickly. Still, we know very little about Google OS - maybe it'll provide some of those things, or even all of them, and will serve as a kick in the butt to MS and Apple.]]>Aug 14th 2009 1:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 14th 2009 6:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/13/entelligence-stains-on-the-sleeve-of-my-operating-system/Aug 15th 2009 3:43PM