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yes, I can see that you are a nub.]]>Aug 15th 2009 8:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 9:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/
Illegal Operation MPG
Division by zero not allowed]]>Aug 15th 2009 5:34PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/
Laura June is providing us a service in getting us to think about the issue and not just accept another dictum from on high.

I like the miles per gallon moniker so long as it is explained in terms of real cost.

In other words, let’s say the cost to fully charge a car battery is $2.50 of energy from the electrical grid; same price as a gallon of gas. If you get to travel 367 miles on a full charge, then that is the equivalent of buying a car that runs on gasoline that is rated at 367 miles per gallon. The only problem with this that I can think of, is if the car has a maximum range of 185.5 miles (see technical note below) on a full charge, and the car manufacturers advertise the performance of 367 Miles Per Gallon (which is technically correct), then that can be misleading. The unsuspecting public may erroneously think that the car’s maximum range is 367 miles on a full charge.

Technical note:

If the cost of a full charge is only $1.25 and the distance traveled is 183.5 miles, then this is the same as saying $2.50 for a distance of 367 (or better yet, 367 miles per gallon). The point is that one can always tweak the numbers so as to represent the actual mileage for electrical vehicles in terms of miles per gallon. Think about it, are we (for the lay person) not still using English Units for Measurement (e.g. feet and inches) while our scientific community and the Europeans are using the SI Unit (or Metric System) – for example, meters?
We have gotten accustomed to the English Unit, that is the same reasoning why miles per gallon in this case might just work.
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What is your problem? Did they raise the price of your fiber one? Are those kids playing on your lawn again?
FWD drive cars get better traction in the winter and mechanically provide more interior space since the designers
don't need to leave room from the drive shaft to run under the floor boards.

Look we are all sorry that they cancelled the Brady Bunch and that they don't make 8-track tapes anymore but you
need to move on. ]]>Aug 16th 2009 1:50PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 16th 2009 2:59PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 8:32AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 8:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 8:23AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 8:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 8:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 8:46AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 9:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 9:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/
"America needs to get back to making more reliable, efficient, vehicles[....]"

That implies that you did indeed once make such vehicles. I propose that this is a great untruth SIR!]]>Aug 15th 2009 9:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 9:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 10:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 11:29AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/environmentally friendly and all that... Such a shame that its beatings-per-mile rating is over 100 for driving such an ugly car. ]]>Aug 15th 2009 11:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 2:58PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 3:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 8:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/
What they should be doing is developing a miles per KWH formula. We already understand this unit of energy with our utility bills. Then instead of showing a gas tank with gallons, show a battery with KWH. The EPA's formula serves one purpose and that is a political one.

by going to a miles per KWH rating, this would also bring transparency so average joes would understand the real cost of driving and electric car. ]]>Aug 15th 2009 8:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/
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But this is coming from someone who never really paid attention to the MPG spec of cars, I really could careless. I am getting the vehicle I want regardless of what sort of mileage it gets. It's just another number to help justify the inflated cost of vehicles in my opinion.

All I have to say is thank god for import cars and their reasonable pricing in a world where domestic cars are under built and over priced. And before you suggest that I haven't driven or own a domestic auto, I do.]]>Aug 15th 2009 11:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 11:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/
The more efficient the car, the less wH per mile it requires to move. Using miles per gallon on electric cars doesn't help because they're completely different sources and gasoline is a hell of a lot more expensive.

The Leaf only has what, 100 miles range? Then you're screwed if you're going on any trip longer than that unless you can find a place to charge it for a long time. Pure-electric cars need to wait a little longer, but the Volt is a good first step (electric-driven, but a gas generator backup to charge-sustain the batteries).]]>Aug 15th 2009 1:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/
When you buy a electronic device you don't ask what sort of efficiency it gets, you ask what battery life is i.e. how many hours does the battery last, same with these vehicles, how far will my car go on a charge.

You could include a note on the build sheet of the car that states it uses a certain amount of wattage to fully charge the car, much like a laptop. But as far as consumers are concerned they don't need to know how many watts a car uses, or how many kW it uses, they are only concerned with one thing and thats how far the car will get per charge. Everyone knows electricity is cheaper than gas, and if not they should atleast research the matter before making a purchase that involves 20K+.

Just my opinion though.]]>Aug 15th 2009 4:05PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 17th 2009 2:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 8:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/
Really though, it's only the US that are still using USCS and it would be better if you guys are like the rest of the world! I have 5 engineering textbooks all commenting on this in the first chapter. I really have no concept of what 367mpg is! Maybe you guys don't understand 0.64 litres/100km either :P

]]>Aug 15th 2009 9:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/0 * infinity is undefined (though there's a workaround by way of De L'Hôpital)]]>Aug 15th 2009 11:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 11:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/
so it would take 1000 gallons to go a mile? you must have a tank the size of a 747!!]]>Aug 15th 2009 5:22PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 5:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 16th 2009 10:08PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 8:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 8:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/
A more relevant measure would be energy-dollars/mile, which measures how much it costs (energy only) to make a car travel one mile. With this measure, electric cars would still wi win out.]]>Aug 15th 2009 8:49AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 9:22AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 9:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 8:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Second, I take any GM car over a Nissan. Talking about crappy cars - Nissan is leading that department!]]>Aug 15th 2009 8:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/15/nissan-says-its-new-electric-car-the-leaf-gets-367-miles-per-g/Aug 15th 2009 8:31AM