http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/ Engadget Comments for Nokia's 5800 Navigation Edition announced, finding its way to stores soon http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 21st 2009 7:09AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
That 3D model they showed off was a rotating image plane. Hardly 3D at all. There are many PND units out now that feature true 3D models.

This just seems like it takes way too much time to plan and follow your route. Every modern Garmin Nuvi has 2D/3D map viewing, day/night mode, pedestrian/auto/etc modes, and some of the higher end ones have GPUs with full 3D model support, and even higher end units have weather and/or cameras.

Nothing new here.]]>Aug 21st 2009 11:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
planning routes on the phone itself has been available on the phone itself since maps 1.0, the ability to sync with a computer is a new feature (because you know, some people prefer using a big screen)

the plain 3d view was just for that monument in specific (you saw how it was in real life, hard to properly represent it with a low poly model). for a realistic view of how buildings etc look on maps 3.0, click here http://symbian-lifeblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Shot377ovi-maps.jpg

and again, navigation on devices have been available forever, I agree. so it's not bringing anything new, but consider the price.

considering amazon's current 300 bux price for the 5800, all the navigation license (with lifetime maps update) + mount and stuff comes just to around 100 dollars.]]>Aug 21st 2009 4:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
But it seems pretty redundant with a nav edition.. Google maps on mine is much much better than Ovi and Nokia maps.. ]]>Aug 21st 2009 7:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
And yes i also agree that its kind of pointless. I could easily buy a third party program for it and if i was evil enough i wouldnt even have to pay for it.]]>Aug 21st 2009 7:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 21st 2009 9:18AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/I was considering for a while to get an iPhone (1 year ago, before gps applications) for my wife, but had to choose not, exactly for this reason.

Yeah, I know in the US, this is not a problem, but in Europe, you travell 400 km and most probably you have crossed already 2 borders :-)

Sz
]]>Aug 21st 2009 9:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
Being able to download maps onto the phone makes Ovi Maps a lot more reliable for road trips.]]>Aug 21st 2009 10:35AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/OVI Maps function really really well....]]>Aug 21st 2009 7:26AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 21st 2009 2:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
This lifetime licence is exactly what Nokia should have done when it launched Ovi maps, their day/week/month/year licence set up was a complete rip off. But as I said the maps are good.

Shame I sold the Nokia 'Brick' and bought a Jesus Phone with CoPilot on it - which is rubbish as a turn by turn navigation aid since the GPS receiver is so piss poor and doesn't refresh for ages - it runs on a 30 second lag compared to where i actually am! And being an iPhone it also won't allow me to connect to my fantastic bluetooth GPS receiver that I used for all my Nokias...grrrrrr.]]>Aug 21st 2009 7:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
Well played.]]>Aug 21st 2009 8:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
what's with the metal rim, though?

Trying to make an iphone killer doesn't mean one also has to copy the iphone's aesthetics.

Nokia, please try to outclass things outside design (more of what's inside the phone, where it really matters)]]>Aug 21st 2009 8:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 21st 2009 8:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 21st 2009 4:51PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 23rd 2009 6:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 21st 2009 8:53AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 21st 2009 9:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
Don't get me wrong, I use Ovi maps 3.01 on my N97 as my satnav system, and it does the job, in fact, when everything works correctly it's a joy to use. I can have my music playing over the FM transmitter and the voice instructions come in over the top of that on my car's stereo system, brilliant.

The problem is it doesn't work perfectly all the time, there are far too many bugs and crashes, the most annoying bug being when the system doesn't follow you on the 3D map, and you have to restart navigation to solve it.
If the navigation edition is released to co-incide with Ovi maps 3.1 (or 3.2 if nokia decide to stick with the SW update application's way of naming it) then it might just be a fantastic solution. Until then, Nokia have a lot of work to do.]]>Aug 21st 2009 8:57AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 21st 2009 9:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 21st 2009 9:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 21st 2009 6:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/except europeans.
hence, no one.]]>Aug 21st 2009 9:05AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 21st 2009 9:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 21st 2009 9:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
What you're really trying to say is that no-one in North America cares, which is true. Maybe you should revise your notion that North American + Europe = the whole planet.]]>Aug 21st 2009 10:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 23rd 2009 7:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 21st 2009 9:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 21st 2009 9:16AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 22nd 2009 12:41PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/ that phone]]>Aug 21st 2009 9:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/No right?
Then your Nextar GPS ]]>Aug 21st 2009 10:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 21st 2009 9:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
You are mixing this to 5530 which has the 3G part removed, tinier and cheaper. Better looking too in my opinion, but that's beside the point.]]>Aug 21st 2009 10:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
I don't think its overpriced.
For example Non Nav. editon costs around $250 in US.(more expensive in some Asian countries than here).
Nav edition costs around $400.(includes lifetime nav. license and maps) + car charger + dash mount
Now if you want same thing for basic 5800
it will be 250+100(1 yr license) = 350 +car charger + dash mount ~ 380-400.(but only 1 year license)
You get lifetime license with this Nav. edition. (generally i think avg. lifetime of any phone would be atleast 2 years.

So now think about this and do your Math again.

Btw, all this doesn't apply if you want to hack your phone or install hacked other GPS softwares/maps.]]>Aug 21st 2009 10:47PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
It seems that you work for them (with your series of defense posts).

While I'll admit I was mistaken regarding the gimped functionality, claiming that adding the maps plus a mount = $150 is just ridiculous.

I tend to go through a phone in something less than 2 years, while I've had the same GPS for over 3 now. Sometimes people just want to go all 'convergent' and don't use their heads.]]>Aug 22nd 2009 10:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/With this Nav. edition, they are giving lifetime license. So lets say you bought a 5800 without Nav edition.

So its USD 250. Plus assume that you buy Garmin or Ovi Maps license, which would be around USD 100 for 1 year.
So eventually your total cost would be 250+100=350 for 1 year
If you buy new maps for next year, then again add the price.

However, if you buy Nokia Nav. edition, it is currently rumored to be 410, which will be cheaper at other online stores/etc,
plus if they sell it with carriers. (atleast in europe), then you can think that its a much better and practical option than any other option out there.

Also what the video shows is that you can synchronize maps from your PC to phone and download route from PC to phone.
But you can also plan your route on phone ofcz.

So i think this is way better option. Nokia needs to market this in a better way and bring out such videos as above with different features highlighted separately. ]]>Aug 21st 2009 1:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
How did they make this video?? Ovi maps isn't available on MacOS yet.

Stupid.....]]>Aug 21st 2009 1:53PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
you stupid!!

maps.ovi.com works on Safari 4 on MAC. Are you using 80s and 90s MAC? or what? ]]>Aug 21st 2009 3:17PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
unfortunately, those who already picked up a 5800 are kicked to the side once this comes out. but then again, nokia does that with a lot of models. they used to add the i to some models to add wifi. then music editions with more built in memory. i wish they would streamline their products more. ]]>Aug 21st 2009 1:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 21st 2009 3:27PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://maps.ovi.com/services/integrated all use map data and POI are available in the web version.

(I've been using maps 3.0 where I live (US) and everything I want is there! even a local pizza place that wasn't on my garmin thingy)]]>Aug 21st 2009 4:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
you stupid using Safary.

every normal human use Firefox :P]]>Aug 21st 2009 4:55PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
So people using IE and Safari and Chrome are abnormal? lol

I guess, that shows how normal you are. ]]>Aug 21st 2009 10:38PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 21st 2009 7:16PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/Aug 21st 2009 8:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
I think you need to think again and again about what you said and how you use your phone and if you understand and are aware of its features or not. So Think Again and Again.

The original 5800 with comes with Music has all the capabilities as the Nav. edition plus you got the comes with music service which has 1 year of music free. It can still use Ovi Maps for navigation as shown in the video.

The only difference between this and yours is lifetime Maps license. Which phone in the market currently gives lifetime license?(I am not sure about Garmin phone). Does Apple give lifetime maps license on iphone? They don't even have their own maps application, they use google maps, which you can also use with Nokia 5800.

So all in all, i think you need to think "AgainAgain". Nokia shouldn't care about customers like you who can't think "AgainAgain".]]>Aug 21st 2009 10:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/21/nokias-5800-navigation-edition-finding-its-way-to-stores-soon/
I didn't get any voice instructions, so I'm guessing the person who complained about them above had chosen a drive walk instread of a walk route.]]>Aug 22nd 2009 5:21AM