http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/ Engadget Comments for http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 4:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 24th 2009 12:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/
I mean what will this affect, RAID controllers and gfx cards?]]>Aug 23rd 2009 4:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Just kidding, but this is good news, since I wont have to upgrade till 2011.]]>Aug 23rd 2009 4:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 24th 2009 4:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 4:30AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 10:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/In other 2011 news: Netbooks are still using intel GMA950 graphics. :P]]>Aug 23rd 2009 4:42AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 4:48AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 5:54PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 4:43AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 5:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 5:56PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 24th 2009 1:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/
I for one am just about to buy a PCIE card that speeds up raytracing, has no output, but serves the CPU during the software rendering. The bandwidth currently available is actually blocking the performance of the card. Even though it'll decrease the rendertimes drastically, the unlimited bandwidth could have helped to speed even this up a notch, which is always nice... ;)]]>Aug 24th 2009 6:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/
USB 3.0
SATA 3.0
PCI Express 3.0
and the one im defo waiting on, ... nvidia gtx300]]>Aug 23rd 2009 5:20AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 5:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/aka FW3200]]>Aug 23rd 2009 5:19PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 5:20PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 5:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 5:56AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 6:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 11:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 5:23PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 6:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 7:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 7:19AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 10:59AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 3:44PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Now they can release a new Architecture, everyone will buy a new Mobo and the latest 2.0 GPU. Then, one year later, the fastest GPU's get sold as PCI Express 3.0 only and everyone who wants a new GPU then, will have to buy a new Mobo again, too.
So easy. Without the one year delay they will sell less items.
And everyone here talks about 'Not that bad, Worth the wait, PCI Express 2.0 is already fast enough'. Don't you get it? No one cares if 2.0 is fast enough. If there aren't any 2.0 high end cards sold any longer, then you will have to buy a 3.0 compatible board to use the latest GPU.
Sure, you'll be able to use a 1.0 or 2.0 card in a 3.0 slot, but you won't be able to use the whole power of a 3.0 card in a 2.0 slot.
The only reason for delay is: money.]]>Aug 23rd 2009 8:03AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 8:15AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/
the 5870 will use at least 8x PCIe 2.0 lanes of bandwidth, knock it up to the 5870 X2, and hello, we've got a bottleneck, hence why some people are saying that there won't be a 5870 X2.]]>Aug 23rd 2009 9:36AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/
Then again, that could be due to a lot of things, not just the limited bandwidth on the P45s.]]>Aug 23rd 2009 12:29PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Hell why not just load the game directly on the gfx card?]]>Aug 23rd 2009 10:11PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 8:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 9:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/
My Basic wishlist is:
Integrated GPU with more than enough power to transcode video and accelerate modest 3D applications (things like Google Earth and Blizzard games).

Integrated Digital TV/HD radio Tuner

Either HDMI with 7.1 audio via hdmi cable or Displayport with S/PDIF

6-10 SATA 3 connections.

6-8 USB 3.0 connections and enough bandwidth to actually USE all of them.

EFI or Heavily upgraded BIOS that allows wireless and other modern hardware to work during boot.

Something like this seems achievable in the near future... oh well, I can dream.]]>Aug 23rd 2009 1:04PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/ here is how it works:

SATA = 1,5 Gbp/s
SATA 3 = 3 Gbp/s
& for all the noobs the new SATA system is
SATA 6 = 6 Gbp/s

Only SSD can make full use of SATA 6 since SATA 3 HDD strugle to saturate SATA @ 1.5Gbps

Also if you really cared about performance you wouldn't bother with fake/soft RAID crap thats on your mobo & get a real RAID card instead which runs fine on PCI-E 8x 1.0 or PCI-X.]]>Aug 23rd 2009 4:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/
Asus has a line of motherboards with Wifi built in (look for the Wifi/AP versions of their performance motherboards), but I would like to see this become a mainstream addition as well.

I would leave out the TV-Tuner/powerful integrated graphics to keep the costs down (maybe make a luxury package with these included in). Basic 3D-graphics that's good enough to handle Aero is good enough for me. Anything more should be kept in expansion slots to avoid northbridge or your only graphics driver overheating.]]>Aug 23rd 2009 4:32PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/
SATA 1 = 1.5 Gb/s
SATA 2 = 3 Gb/s
SATA 3 = 6 Gb/s

I have no idea where you came up with that numbering system but it's not right at all. SATA is going from gen 2 to gen 3, not gen 3 to gen 6, that makes no sense whatsoever.

You'd think people who "correct" others would actually make sure they know what they're talking about first.]]>Aug 23rd 2009 5:37PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/
You're an idiot, the use of SATA II (SATA II has become SATA 3) has been discontinued & Generation 3 of SATA will be refered to as SATA 6.
]]>Aug 23rd 2009 8:00PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/
READ THIS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA#SATA_6_Gbit.2Fs_.28Third_generation.29

You are the one that doesn't know jack shit!]]>Aug 23rd 2009 8:07PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/SATA v1=1.5gbits
SATA v2=3gbits
SATA v3=6gbits

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_ATA

Here, read up about it here mate!]]>Aug 23rd 2009 9:48PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/
They are still going to call it SATA(v3/gen3)6GBits]]>Aug 24th 2009 12:28AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 3:28PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 3:33PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/Aug 23rd 2009 5:45PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/
No, I don't play games, but I'm still waiting for the SW to catch up with the increasing in HW power.]]>Aug 23rd 2009 6:24PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/

You have probably never worked in infrastruture at a company larger then 50 people. It's easy for you to upgrade the printers, scanners, computers ect in your home.... Try doing the same thing when you have a 100,000 computers and 80,000 different accessories that use Serial/Parallel spread over 25 countries for various things. There are benefits to serial and parallel that some of the new technologies have yet to achieve (including driver support in proprietary electronics interfaces that only use DB9 serial Comm).

The vast majority of the worlds large electronic systems still use serial and parallel (in some form) to interface between computers and the unit (take our UPS's that run our remote monitoring servers) ect.... Massive shipping companies like UPS and Fedex use the serial interface on many of their mechanical diagnostic tools, ect ect.

I was just thinking the other day how annoying it is when the market as a whole tries to force people into a new spec without at least offering support (maybe not on every model, but a few) for past standards. The computing world's major revenue source is not the zit faced WoW gamer and his 4 GPU Lan party/porn theater computer, it's the businesses with massive infrastructure that have spent millions on writing programs that are compatible with every computer from DOS ----- Win XP (many pieces of mission critical hardware do not support USB ect).

We need that backwards compatibility, so hopefully vendors will keep it, because if they don't Enterprise businesses will just take their billions of dollars elsewhere. I wish everything had a USB port too, but it doesn't. Until then, I would like to be able to keep my hardware current, but only without running the risk I may not be able to perform my job function.

]]>Aug 23rd 2009 8:40PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/23/pci-express-3-0-specifications-formally-delayed-products-pushed/when i buy a state of the art ROG gaming mobo it just kills me to see DB9, 2 ps/2 ports, parallel, floppy controlers, ATA, BNC, PCIv1 etc....
Im not pushing you into a standard,
I just what the basics so I get a blazzingly fast system.

6x SATA
4x PCIEv2
6 ram slots
and a shit load of FW and USB.
thats all gamers need.

If you work for a latency intensive business the buy one of those MOBOs.
people like you are forcing me into latency standards!]]>Aug 23rd 2009 10:26PM