http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/ Engadget Comments for Panasonic goes rangefinder with the Lumix DMC-GF1 http://www.engadget.com/media/feedlogo.gif http://www.engadget.com en-us Copyright 2012 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 12:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/]]>Sep 2nd 2009 12:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 1:07AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 2:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/
OK, where do we begin with everything that's wrong here?

First of all, AVCHD is a codec, not a file format. QuickTime is just a file structure; you could put AVCHD video in a QuickTime file.

Second, 720p is no "easier to edit" than 1080p. Moreover, you can have 720p, 1080p, and even (sadly) 1080i AVCHD material. From Wikipedia: "Most AVCHD camcorders released to date record 1080i interlaced video."

You're probably thinking of interframe-compressed codecs (like AVCHD, H.264, and MPEG-2) and intraframe-compressed codecs (like the DV family) in terms of editing. Intraframe codecs are much easier to edit because each frame stands alone; interframe-compressed material creates groups of pictures (GOPs) in which frames depend on each other for decoding. So your statement is again incorrect, since AVCHD is made up of groups of frames depend on each other. To make a cut in the middle of a GOP, the surrounding frames must be recompressed and two oddly sized GOPs must be created.

The moral is, don't spread misinformation. It's not hard to look this stuff up and get it right.]]>Sep 2nd 2009 5:52AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 9:24AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://movies.dpreview.com.s3.amazonaws.com/panasonicgf1/P1010666.MOV
http://movies.dpreview.com.s3.amazonaws.com/panasonicgf1/P1010237.MOV
http://movies.dpreview.com.s3.amazonaws.com/panasonicgf1/P1010725.MOV
]]>Sep 2nd 2009 10:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/"The moral is, don't spread misinformation. It's not hard to look this stuff up and get it right."

I hope that you give this advise to yourself?

I have HD PVR which capture videos on 720p,ZS3 which capture videos at 720p too and i have HF100 which capture videos at 1080p both use AVCHD
NOT ONLY 720p is easier to edit but it take MUCH less time to render the video compared to the 1080p and if anyone have tried it they can easily tell, hell my laptop (dual core 2 duo 2.500) even struggle to preview the 1080p content with 80%-90% of the both cpu used while i barely use 40-50% to preview the 720p content while editing.

so stop spreading BS? i have no idea why people even rated you up when your information was totally wrong ]]>Sep 2nd 2009 3:49PMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/One isn't easier to edit, you just don't have a computer powerful enough to edit 1080p well.]]>Sep 3rd 2009 2:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 12:06AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/ZS3 still got a much better zoom (which helps with video too) and it's smaller even if you use the pancake lens with the GF1 (which give you pretty much no zoom at all)

GF1 got better pictures quality though.]]>Sep 2nd 2009 12:33AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/
This new $900 panny seems a bit overpriced, until you consider the DSLR in a prortable package design. Well, even then it sounds kinda overpriced.]]>Sep 2nd 2009 1:25AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Panasonic_Lumix_DMC_TZ7_ZS3/
In short, two words separate this unit from the Panasonic you mentioned:
Manual Control

That and probably vastly better low-light pics with the larger sensor. I don't see models like this competing with compacts so much as they are competing with traditionally more bulky DSLRs. ]]>Sep 2nd 2009 1:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/
The T27 is a 1/2.33" sensor, which has surface area of a mere 30 mm2, the GF1 has a 4/3" sensor size has an area of 225 mm2. We are talking about over 7 times advantage that the GF1 has over the T27 in terms of the light-sensitive area to capture the image.

Twice or thrice the price over a point-and-shoot is well justified. Don't think because the size of this camera is around the same as a point-and-shoot somehow this is comparable. Bigger isn't always better. The main goal of this camera is for the user to get dSLR quality in a compact shape, and have the freedom of interchangeable lenses.

Keep in mind, that the micro-4/3rds system can use Nikon F-mount, Canon EF, FD, Minolta, Oly OM, 4/3rds, Leica M, M42 lenses. The short focal-flange distance means that almost all lenses are compatible with this camera.]]>Sep 2nd 2009 1:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/
I bet money the Leica based lens will rock socks off. I'm really curious about the high iso performance though. People seem to focus on untested/unreleased cameras' resolution, but the technology (for all sensor sizes) has leapt in many ways over the last few years. ]]>Sep 2nd 2009 2:17AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 12:11AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 12:14AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 12:58AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 1:08AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/
The bigger issue at hand is what to call this. You really can't call this a dSLR, being that it doesn't have a mirror-box to justify the "SLR" in "dSLR". Its not a point-and-shoot being that it has interchangeable lenses and a sensor that's found in dSLRs. The body-style is a rangefinder akin to old Leica M's.

I've heard the term "EVIL" used, "Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lenses", RED calls their mirrorbox-less "dSLR" a "DSMC. Semantics aside, "digital rangefinder" may be most descriptive of these new class of cameras. The optical element has been replaced with an LCD or EVF, but aesthetically and functionally its a rangefinder. It can be pocketed and take high quality photos like the old Leica Ms.]]>Sep 2nd 2009 1:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 1:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/
I know what a rangefinder is, my point is that all these definitions established over 80 years ago are today unrepresentative to the technology placed in modern cameras. Which is why I've put 'digital rangefinder' in quotes. We define, rangefinder merely by that antiquated optical-range-finding mechanism that in the modern context is obsolete next to modern EVF and LCDs that can more accurately establish focus. If we want to distill this argument down to pure literal terms, this camera does still 'find' 'range', but through modern liveview technology rather then an external optical element.

Like I've said, we can call this a "DMSC" or "EVIL" camera, however in spirit its as close to a 'digital rangefinder' as an Epson RD1 or M8 sans an superannuated optical component (and can even use Leica rangefinder lenses). ]]>Sep 2nd 2009 3:10AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/
Aside from the Leica and the Epson R-D1, which is no longer in production, no one makes a digital camera that has an optical rangefinder on it. If anyone did, it would fly off of the shelves.

There are many of us for whom the optical rangefinder is how we see the world and how we prefer to interact with a camera.

I don't mind "electronic viewfinder interchangeable lens". After all, cameras without coupled focusing were called "viewfinder" cameras for ages.]]>Sep 2nd 2009 9:00AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/
It does not "still 'find' 'range', but through modern liveview technology rather then an external optical element". It finds range with autofocus electronics. Okay, so you know what a rangefinder is, but what you're still doing is confusing viewfinders and focusing mechanisms. Stop that. EVFs and LCDs are HORRIBLE for finding focus. Without an optical aid to focusing such as a rangefinder or a focusing screen (split prism, etc), you would be screwed trying to focus pretty much any camera without its autofocus system.

In other words, applying the term "digital rangefinder" to this or any other non-rangefinder camera is just as stupid as applying the same term to an old analogue SLR with autofocus. They both use electronics to find range.

Please understand the difference between a viewfinder (LCD, EVF), a rangefinder, and an autofocus system.
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http://www.dpreview.com/news/0909/09090202panasonic45mmmacro.asp]]>Sep 2nd 2009 1:27AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/
...also, that golden logo in the lower right is Leica's, right?]]>Sep 2nd 2009 2:34AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/
No, Panasonic puts that on all their cameras regardless of Leica's involvement. Presumably the L stands for Lumix.

Leica has their red dot logo.]]>Sep 2nd 2009 2:44AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/
Ohhhh, got it!

But.... I just assumed that since " Many Lumix models are fitted with Leica lenses that have been designed by Leica's German optical engineers and are assembled in Japan, some are rebadged as Leica cameras with different cosmetic styling. Leica had a similar relationship with Minolta in the past, where late model Leica SLRs (and some 35mm point and shoot models) were strongly based on Minolta bodies."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumix

;)]]>Sep 2nd 2009 2:50AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/
Along with link above, who else worked with Panasonic to make Lenses for Lumix branded devices?

I didn't look much, but I only found leica]]>Sep 2nd 2009 2:55AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 12:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 12:31AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 10:02AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/
Also, with the optional "live-view" viewfinder attachment I think this one is the clear leader in the micro four-thirds arena.]]>Sep 2nd 2009 12:38AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 12:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 12:41AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 12:54AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/
What isn't an over rated feature is the fact that Panasonic's Autofocus IS ACTUALLY USEABLE.

This posting from Engadget is especially annoying. In every way the GF-1 is superior to the E-P1 except looks (that's pure opinion). When it comes to actually taking pictures the GF-1 is simply going to be a much better camera to use. People wouldn't believe it according to Nilay's writing, but then again Nilay (and it seems all of the Engadget staff) doesn't have a clue about cameras.]]>Sep 2nd 2009 1:01AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/
Not when those lenses were built before IS ever even existed. Or are too small to possibly fit such a mechanism. The latter should perhaps be emphasized, given how smaller lenses best compliment bodies like the E-P1 and GF1.]]>Sep 2nd 2009 1:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/
Flash is better than no flash. ]]>Sep 2nd 2009 2:04AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 2:13AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/DMCGF1/ZOLYACCESSORIES-S.JPG]]>Sep 2nd 2009 7:12AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lcywxa5jl0Q

We'll see when we get one, I suppose.]]>Sep 2nd 2009 10:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 12:40AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/

scoooooore]]>Sep 2nd 2009 12:45AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 12:51AMhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/panasonic-goes-rangefinder-with-the-lumix-dmc-gf1/Sep 2nd 2009 2:01AM